On Jun 23, 2011, at 1:01 PM, sebb wrote:

> On 23 June 2011 11:06, Kirk <[email protected]> wrote:
>> One has to really be careful with JMeter's threading model. It has the 
>> potential to act as the bottleneck in your load test. I've seen a few teams 
>> chasing all kinds of things in the app server when they really needed to be 
>> looking at what was coming behind them. IMHO, a thread per user is an easy 
>> model to grasp but is much easier to set yourself up for failure. Case in 
>> point, and earlier suggestion that if the response times are greater than 
>> the desired rate of arrival at the server, the throughput will drop 'cos 
>> JMeter will simply not have enough threads to trigger the request. Hence, 
>> the bottleneck in the system will be JMeter. While some might argue that 
>> this is sill ok (and in a number of cases it's not harmful), an event based 
>> model would be much more scalable and less prone to this type of testing 
>> failure.. artificial throttling of throughput.
> 
> If I understand you correctly, what you are saying is that the maximum
> throughput for a single JMeter thread is limited by the response time
> of the server, because JMeter waits for the sample to complete before
> issuing the next request.
> 
> Have I got it right?

Judging by your response I don't think that my message was clear. If I put a 
single usage pattern (pattern that a user executes to complete a multi-step 
business transaction) into a single thread group and then execute that thread 
group then there *is* a real possibility of JMeter/test harness thread 
starvation.

> 
> If so, for plain HTTP requests, IMO the model does agree with how
> users generally behave, because they won't generally click another
> link until the previous request has completed.
> 
> For pages with embedded resources, modern browsers download these in
> parallel; this has been implemented and will be in the next JMeter
> release.
> [And it already has the Cache Manager]
> 
> For most other protocols, the synchronous thread model is OK, as far as I 
> know.

If you want to know why LoadRoader or slikrunner... have little issue loading 
to 1000s of users from a single instance, take a look at the internal 
differences in threading model.

Look, I've no interest in getting into a pissing match with you 'cos as I 
mentioned before, what is here is no small feat to put together.

Kind regards,
Kirk


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