Dear Tamas,

More than ten years ago, when I discovered Rasmol in the internet, since it is the default one, I have
been using the pdb format as I learned it from the tutorials at the time. I know it has too many columns
for different properties to be used by Rasmol, and most of them I don't even begin to understand, I still
did not switch to xyz format, for instance, although it would suffice for my drawing purposes. As the
time went on I gained some confidence, I deviated from the standards of the Rasmol world and started
to use its properties for my own wishes, like the 'temperature' column, where I store the height of the
atom from a chosen plane, so that when I look at it from the corresponding top view I can tell from the
red to blue spectrum of the atoms that which are closer to the surface and which are deeper in the bulk
of the crystal or amorphous slab. I use the CPK column differently also, since the colors of most atoms
I work with are either purple (undefined) or close to each other (like in your version of perovskite all
three atoms are similar tones of red). So I noticed that different letters in CPK column give different
atom colors, same goes for the CHAIN column, but this time with a different set of color assignments.
If my aim was to construct a macromolecule with lots of atoms and use the color codes arbitrarily
and expose it to the public in the internet, that would have been out of standards and would have
been ugly to see a H-atom making more than one bonds, for instance. Unfortunately, I could not
think of sending my example pdb file (I should have called it "toy.pdb" instead of "perov.pdb" or
"abo3.pdb")  to this list is also exposing it to public, so I hope I am forgiven. It is such a toy file
that even the lattice parameter is far from the real values, so that Rasmol does not bond the atoms
and I would be in control which one to bond to which, or which bonds to show.

All these unscientific discussion took me away from the "polyhedron" problem. Actually, for those
who might be wandering about the solution within the Rasmol domain, I came up with a brute force
solution, it is not a smart way in practice, but just to say it exists:

Select all atoms on/within the polyhedron, spacefill off.
Wireframe 0.05 or so. So we just have the polyhedron picture.
Export as a gif.
Import gif into xfig.
Export as an eepic and edit it and compile it with latex.
Find out which lines make up which triangle, isolate them as closed paths as "\path(1,2)(2,3)(3,1)".
Insert "\shade\color{cyan}" in front of "\path(1,2)(2,3)(3,1)".

Too much work.
And this reminds me of another wishful thinking (of mine!), and since I don't know the
mechanisms and structure of any of these above software, I dare to ask:
Would it be possible technically Rasmol to export in "xfig" or "eepic" formats?

Thanks for your time.
Sinasi


Tamas E. Gunda wrote:
I don't know what software created this pdb file of perovskit, but it has
many mistakes and different other programs may behave oddly. HETATM should
be instead of ATOM (small bug), the CONECT records are incomplete (all bonds
should be there twice, A-->B and B-->A), elemental symbols are in the column
of  residue names and vice versa, the residue names are in the column of
atom names (big bugs). According to the recent PDB spefications in columns
77 and 78 the elemental symbol should be present in order to avoid
confusions when unusual atom names are tried to translate to elemental
symbols.

It should like for example:

HEADER    perovskite
COMPND    perovskite
SOURCE    e-mail
SOURCE    Created by Mol2Mol 5.4
SOURCE    10:22:01, Sunday, Feb 13, 2005
HETATM    1 Ti   o       1       8.000   8.000   8.000  1.00  0.00
Ti
HETATM    2  O2  s       2       8.000   8.000   4.000  1.00  0.00
O
HETATM    3  O3  s       2       8.000   4.000   8.000  1.00  0.00
O
HETATM    4  O4  s       2       4.000   8.000   8.000  1.00  0.00
O
HETATM    5  O5  s       2      12.000   8.000   8.000  1.00  0.00
O
HETATM    6  O6  s       2       8.000  12.000   8.000  1.00  0.00
O
HETATM    7  O7  s       2       8.000   8.000  12.000  1.00  0.00
O
HETATM    8 Sr8  d       3       4.000   4.000   4.000  1.00  0.00
Sr
HETATM    9 Sr9  d       3      12.000   4.000   4.000  1.00  0.00
Sr
HETATM   10 Sr10 d       3       4.000  12.000   4.000  1.00  0.00
Sr
HETATM   11 Sr11 d       3      12.000  12.000   4.000  1.00  0.00
Sr
HETATM   12 Sr12 d       3       4.000   4.000  12.000  1.00  0.00
Sr
HETATM   13 Sr13 d       3      12.000   4.000  12.000  1.00  0.00
Sr
HETATM   14 Sr14 d       3       4.000  12.000  12.000  1.00  0.00
Sr
HETATM   15 Sr15 d       3      12.000  12.000  12.000  1.00  0.00
Sr
CONECT    2    3    4    5    6
CONECT    3    2    4    5    7
CONECT    4    2    3    6    7
CONECT    5    2    3    6    7
CONECT    6    2    4    5    7
CONECT    7    3    4    5    6
END

Dr. Tamas E. Gunda
Dept. of Pharmaceutical Chemistry
University of Debrecen
POBox 36
H-4010 Debrecen, Hungary

tgunda (.AT.) puma.unideb.hu

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sinasi Ellialtioglu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Molecular Visualization, especially in education with freeware"
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Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Molvis-list] polygons


  
Dear Miguel, Abhijit, and Inbal,

I thank you all for your comments and guidiance.
With all I know about Rasmol I can obtain octahedra but I don't know a
way to make its
surfaces as solid or semi-transparent. I enclose a simple case of a
perovskite pdb file, and
a script file to be implemented afterwards:

abo3.pdb

ATOM      1  o   Ti  d   2       8.000   8.000   8.000      1  24.00
ATOM      2  s   O   b   3       8.000   8.000   4.000      1  60.00
ATOM      3  s   O   b   3       8.000   4.000   8.000      1  48.00
ATOM      4  s   O   b   3       4.000   8.000   8.000      1  36.00
ATOM      5  s   O   c   3      12.000   8.000   8.000      1  36.00
ATOM      6  s   O   c   3       8.000  12.000   8.000      1  48.00
ATOM      7  s   O   c   3       8.000   8.000  12.000      1  60.00
ATOM      8  d   Sr  a   1       4.000   4.000   4.000      1  12.00
ATOM      9  d   Sr  a   1      12.000   4.000   4.000      1  12.00
ATOM     10  d   Sr  a   1       4.000  12.000   4.000      1  12.00
ATOM     11  d   Sr  a   1      12.000  12.000   4.000      1  12.00
ATOM     12  d   Sr  a   1       4.000   4.000  12.000      1  12.00
ATOM     13  d   Sr  a   1      12.000   4.000  12.000      1  12.00
ATOM     14  d   Sr  a   1       4.000  12.000  12.000      1  12.00
ATOM     15  d   Sr  g   1      12.000  12.000  12.000      1  12.00
TER
#CONECT    1    2    3    4    5    0    0
#CONECT    6    1    0    0    0    0    0
#CONECT    7    1    0    0    0    0    0
#
CONECT    2    3    4    5    6    0    0
CONECT    7    3    4    5    6    0    0
CONECT    6    4    5    0    0    0    0
CONECT    3    4    5    0    0    0    0

and abo3.spt

set ambient 60
background white
set boundbox on
color boundbox black
spacefill 0.45
wireframe 0.15
color atoms cpk
rotate y 15
rotate x -15
select 3
spacefill 0.10
wireframe 0.01

If I had only a way to shade a closed surface bounded by CONECT'ed
    
lines....
  
Anyway, I will visit JMOL solution since it is already there.

Thank you all again.
Sinasi

Miguel wrote:

    
Hi everybody,

I am a Rasmol user, and since this list is now bringing together a
multi-software society
I would like to ask if drawing polygons around oxygen octahedra or
tetrahedra in various
crystal structures (like in YBCO) is possible in any of Rasmol, Jmol,
Chime, Protein Explorer, or else.


        
I have recently added rendering of polyhedrons (tetrahedrons and
octahedrons) to Jmol. They can be rendered as solid or translucent.

The code has not yet been officially released, but is currently in
prerelease test phase.

There is not much documentation either, but there are only a few commands
and it is pretty straightforward.

Check out www.jmol.org

Download the prerelease version from sourceforge at:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=23629

Then you can post specific questions on the jmol-users list. Sign up at
www.jmol.org/lists


Miguel

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