Hi Angel,

thanks!!

On Sunday 21 September 2008 15:23, Angel Herráez wrote:
> Hi Volker
>
> On 21 Sep 2008 at 13:56, Volker Blum wrote:
> > 1) (minor) For two initially unconnected atoms,
>
> I cannot help much with this.
> From
> http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/#connect
> it seems that you might need to specify "opaque" or "ModifyOrCreate"
> options for this to work.

I see. In general, would it be helpful to have the appropriate default 
be "ModifyOrCreate" right away (if someone specifies a Hbond, this will most 
likely be the intention anyway)

> > 2) Regarding cartoons (ribbons etc) - I have found it excessively tedious
> > to
>
> [...]
>
> > What exact information does jmol even require to safely produce a ribbon?
> > For me, this was a rather frustrating "guessing in the dark experience.
>
> You get a helix if there is a HELIX record in the PDB file, specifying the
> residue range.

hm ... I have such a record; I guess jmol misinterprets my pdb file for some 
reason (the reason may be that it's hand-edited and maybe does not conform to 
something jmol expects in some subtle way, so the issue here is perhaps more 
how to debug a pdb file to make it work for jmol - my problem, I guess)

> Alternatively, you may try "calculate structure" -- but that will likely
> nedd proper identification of Calpha and so on, not sure.
> http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/#calculate
>
> There is also a rather undocumented feature in Jmol by which you can force
> a helix or sheet, using "calculate" command I think. I think this was
> described in a recent post in the email list, cannot find it now.  Hey,
> there it is clearly documented!
> http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/#structure

yes,that would seem t be exactly what I need. 

Comments: 

- the help text for structure is a literal copy of the "subset" explanation 
immediately below

- the sequence of commands
structure HELIX (atomno=17,18,19,27,28,29,37,38,39,47,48,49);
ribbon on

does nothing at all in my case (those are the numbers of the 
backbone ...-CCN-CCN-...'s . The whole thing is clearly helical - what am I 
missing?)

Thanks for your help, and sorry about the perhaps silly follow-up questions. 

best, Volker

> > Is there any reason why a ribbon should not be producable by "simply"
> > specifying the atoms to be connected from within jmol itself? Having such
> > a feature available would be a great help ....
>
> That's  "structure helix" !!
>
> This is why I love Jmol...
>
> On 21 Sep 2008 at 14:36, Volker Blum wrote:
> > as two additional points,
> >
> > - "Hbonds off" only turns off the last created H-bond in a structure, not
> > the others
>
> Not the last created bond, but all bonds in the currently selected atom
> set.
>
> > - The "Export -> image" menu as well as the "Save current view as an
> > image" button do not function in the "prerelease 11.6.RC15" version
> > downloaded by me today (I downloaded the binaries package, not the
> > source). This used to work without problems in 11.2.x (which I used
> > before).
>
> There has been some redesign recently in the signed applet for this, so it
> may be that. If you get no answer from Bob, please open a bug report.
>
> > I may be reporting these things to the wrong list, but since this is an
> > RC version, I thought I'd do so anyway just in case.
>
> This is a perfect place. It could have gone into the developers list, but
> all users may benefit from the problems and the replies.
>
>
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