Philip: The behaviors I described are independent of the website. I confirmed all behaviors in various examples at the Jmol script docs (http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/) (latest Jmol), as well as in FirstGlance (http://firstglance.jmol.org) or Proteopedia (http://proteopedia.org) (both of which use Jmol 11.8.x).
At 3/28/11, Philip Bays wrote: >Eric. Can you provide an example link to look at? I have the >latest OS, Java, and Firefox. > >Jonathan: What OS, Java, and Firefox versions are you using. I see >some of what you are seeing, but not sure. > > >On Mar 27, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Eric Martz wrote: > > > Firefox 4.0 has some improvements, but also some serious problems vis > > a vis Jmol on Macs. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Here are my observations with Firefox 4.0 on Mac OS 10.5.8 > "Leopard" (no snow), > > with Apple java 1.5.0_28. I DO NOT HAVE A SNOW LEOPARD (OS 10.6) > > SYSTEM and would > > appreciate hearing about the issues below from a Snow Leopard user. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > TEXT ZOOM > > View, Zoom no longer causes Jmol to be wrong-sized. This old problem > > is fixed. I prefer to check "Zoom Text Only" because I like larger > > than default text, but I don't need Jmol to be larger than life. > > > > APPLET FOCUS BORDER > > Good: a new dotted line appears around Jmol when it has focus. (This > > does not appear in Safari.) > > > > CURSOR FAILS TO CHANGE IN APPLET > > The cursor no longer changes in the applet: placing the cursor at the > > right margin of Jmol (for zooming) fails to change it, as does > > holding the Shift key down for zooming. The cursor changes still work > > in Safari. > > > > APPLET MENU PROBLEM > > Serious problem with Jmol's menu: when you move the mouse outside the > > boundaries of Jmol, the menu closes. This precludes using most of the > > menu when it is raised by clicking on the "Jmol" frank. > > > > RIGHT CLICK: MENU OFTEN FAILS IN JMOL 11.8 > > I have intermittant problems raising Jmol's menu with right click in > > Jmol 11.8 (still used in FirstGlance and in Proteopedia). Right click > > never works from the upper left corner of Jmol. This means that it is > > rather challenging to open the Console or see "About Jmol"! But right > > click works reliably in Jmol 12.1.41, even in the upper left corner. > > > > RAISING APPLET TITLE BAR > > Under the right conditions, pressing the Cmd key raises a title bar > > above Jmol. (Thanks to Jaim Prilusky for discovering this.) The only > > feature I have found this title bar to have is that you can drag Jmol > > with it, detaching Jmol from the Firefox 4.0 window. This leaves the > > original Jmol rectangle blank. If you close the detached Jmol window, > > the molecule reappears in the original rectangle within the Firefox window. > > > > Even when detached, all scripts sent to Jmol from the Firefox window > > via javascript still work! > > > > In order to raise the title bar at the top of the applet, I must > > first click outside, then inside Jmol, then press Cmd. This works > > only once. For a second go, you again must click outside, then inside > > again. Further, as soon as you move the mouse, the bar disappears. > > So, to use the title bar, I must pay attention to have my mouse very > > close to the top of Jmol when I press Cmd. Then I can move the mouse > > into the title bar, click and drag Jmol. > > > > The title bar seems to be a feature of Firefox 4's interaction with > > java. I could not find any documentation for this online. In Safari, > > there is no title bar, and no applet focus border. There appears to > > be no title bar in Windows in Firefox 4 (see below). > > > > JMOL OUTSIDE BROWSER WINDOW > > Moving Jmol outside the browser window (with the title bar) means you > > can scroll the text without pushing Jmol out of view. > > > > Another use is that you can have two FirstGlance in Jmol sessions, > > detach the Jmol from one, and move it for a side by side comparison > > with the other Jmol. Both sessions retain control of their Jmols. > > > > MENU WORKS BETTER WITH DETACHED JMOL > > Detaching Jmol has a big advantage for using the Menu: now you can > > move the mouse outside of Jmol and the menu remains usable. This > > works regardless of whether the detached Jmol is inside the Firefox > > window, or outside it. > > > > BLANKING BETWEEN SCENES IS ALMOST GONE! > > If Firefox 3.6.15 (and all earlier versions), changing the scene in > > FirstGlance caused Jmol to go blank white before the new scene > > appears. This was very annoying. Also, double clicking to measure > > distances often failed, and often temporarily froze Jmol. > > (FirstGlance is using Jmol 11.8.22; Proteopedia, 11.8.24.) In > > Proteopedia, the 'toggle spin' and 'toggle quality' buttons cause > > blank white flashes. Also, when you scroll the page (and Jmol moves > > with the page), Jmol blanks white until you stop scrolling. > > > > None of these problems happened in Safari. > > > > In Firefox 4.0, almost all the blank flashes are gone! Except that I > > do get a white flash (in Jmol 11.8) or a black flash (in Jmol > > 12.1.41) when changing focus from Jmol to outside Jmol and vice > > versa. This is pretty minor. Also measuring distances now works > > reliably in FirstGlance! > > > > ------------ > > WINDOWS XP > > ------------ > > In Windows XP (with current java 1.6.0_24), in Firefox 4.0, right > > click raises Jmol's menu reliably from anywhere in Jmol even in Jmol > > 11.8, and moving outside Jmol does NOT close the menu prematurely. I > > could not find any key (Ctrl, Alt, Shift, Windows) or any pair of > > keys that raises the applet title bar seen in Firefox (but not seen > > in Safari) on the Mac OS 10.5.8. This was true both in virtual WinXP > > in Parallels on the Mac, and in a real WinXP computer. > > > > -Eric > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the > > growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses > > are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software > > be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker > > today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar > > _______________________________________________ > > Jmol-users mailing list > > Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users > >J. 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