At 02:04 PM 4/12/2004 -0400, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote: >> >> >> >> Oops wrong gauntlet. I thought you said something about making licensing a >> requirement to be hired. > >yes - like ****Every Other Profession*** from stock brokers to MD's. but this >is Unionization. > >> Aside from how you could enforce that without union activity... >> > >In Pharmacy is it is under the NY State Controlled Substances Act, Article 33, >Chapter 11 of the Adminstration Rules and Reg, Subchapter J part 80, >The Comprehessive Drug Abuse Prevention and Controll Act of 1970 - Public Law >91-513 on the Federal Level > >Article 137 of the NY State Education Law, section 6800-6827, and part 63 >(which defines licensing and requirments). Also section 130 of the Education Law, >subartcle 2,3,4. Regents Rules part 17,24,28,29,59 and more. > >IT needs similar mandates for Certified Computer Information Analysts (CCIA). >
OK now I *really* don't think you are trolling...but seriously just what exactly do you propose to cover? How ill you specify it? Why would anyone accept that the government can protect them form IT disasters? Would you feel qualified today as an IT professional to meet whatever licensing you have in mind? If so, haven't you ever written any code or taken any actions that had unanticipated consequences, even if they were small? Are you ready to go to jail for that? Don't you think you are just creating more work for lawyers? >> But I still think licensing is just as unlikely to make anyone care. i > >Then empoyers will ***GO TO JAIL*** for operating an unsafe publically >available information service. > ><<For one thing, how will you grandfather everyone in?>> > >This is an issue for the Professional Association (let's call it NYCCIA). >They'll set the standards and recommend them to the Board of Public Digital >Infrastructure Services, who will propagate the rules rules based on this >board and the parant national orgazition. Future members will require passing >the battery of board exams and a minimum accredited College degree baring >program. And all of this will prove what precisely? >>For another, don't you think technology changes too fast to determine the << > >IT changes at the pace os a crawling WORM compared to medicine and law. Before I get into a tit for tat on this, I would like for you to say what evidence you have for this? ><<test in time? How much bureaucracy do you think this is going to take? - Oh wait >now I see how it is going to create jobs :)> > >As much as it needs to in order to assure proper oversite and public safety. Are you familiar with one of the oldest mailing lists on the net, that happens to deal with those issues? It is called "RISKS digest". You can probably google and find the archives going back over 20 years (I think). Perhaps these issues have been discussed there. >> How is what you are proposing anything short of a hidden tarriff on using < >>code developed overseas? How would you plan to certify a gameboy or vcr or a >>toshiba laptop? > >There is no tarrif, hidden or otherwise. In fact, this is likely to DECREASE >cost as viruses and spam are eliminated and disasters are overted. How so? Even if true, of what benefit is it to the industry to decrease costs? That would imply decreased demand, and the problem is we need more, not less sw people in the world. And FWIW, the best engineers I have ever met (I worked at a startup that was a network play that was sold to Sun as their largest acquisition ever) would never dream of taking and qualification courses, and they never have any trouble generating demands for their skills if they keep current. >How much was the cost of the year 2000 upgrade? So you are suggesting that had your system been in place since the 1960s then no code would have had to have changed to solve the y2k issue? Careful, it is a trick question :) >How much was the cost of the >2003 blackout? Probably 0. Our economy and business models are built to withstand such glitches. If there were a real cost then valuations of businesses large and small would go down in the long run, and AFIK that hasn't happened. It is as forgotten as every other spurious blackout of the past. In any case the cost of a few days is not on any order of magnitude different then the months long threat and actual blackouts in CA. I happened to have my lights go out thanks to Enron et al in CA, and thanks to a winter storm after that. I also happened to be in Jersey during last year's NY blackout. If there are any lasting costs, it is in CA, but that is a result of finance and regulations not being in front of business models that happened to be implemented using IT, not because of IT itself. Now if particular employers want to require certification of their employees, more power to them. But it seems to me the people in the US who are the target for certification programs are exactly the same group who are most likely to see their jobs outsourced. Not the least of because the jobs are getting close enough to routine that specific tasks and situations can be outlined, and because physical proximity is not required. But what makes our economy great is the innovation that is present - as embodied in the tech world. You can't legislate that away. And no one is going to allow themselves to be set up as a legal scapegoat to take the fall when the power goes out because a squirrel was gnawing a line near a transformer in Ohio when a manager in Ontario decides to route a little extra power that way and it becomes the straw that broke the camel's back. There isn't enough money on earth for that. Best, Barry >Ruben > >-- >__________________________ >Brooklyn Linux Solutions > >So many immigrant groups have swept through our town >that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological >proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 > >DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 >http://fairuse.nylxs.com > >http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting >http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients >http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software >http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from >around the net >http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... > >1-718-382-0585
