Tony and Joseph as with any profession out there people that operate in a less than a reputable way give the others that do not operate in that fashion a bad reputation. Tony I am glad you responded I was going to then thought well some recruiters do operate in that manner.
Thank You, Patti West CPC, PHR Senior Technical Recruiter Xerox Litigation Services ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Pizzo Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:07 AM To: jobs@lists.nyphp.org Subject: Re: [nyphp-jobs] job: Sr. PHP developer - startup - Union Square NYC Hi Tony, I would like to say this before 10 or more other recruiters respond... My experience has been exactly what I've described. You can say "you're wrong" and I can't fault you for trying to defend yourselves. My intent here is not to offend anyone - but rather open your eyes to the practices of many of the recruiters that post here - and work off the major job boards. -J --- On Thu, 7/17/08, Tony Sternberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Tony Sternberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [nyphp-jobs] job: Sr. PHP developer - startup - Union Square NYC To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 10:57 AM Hey Joeseph - I don't want to get in the middle of all the posting on the board, but I have to say you are entirely wrong when it comes to your understanding how recruiters work. I do direct placement recruiting - therefore I'm paid either a flat fee, or a % of salary for the programmer that is hired. I would have every motivation in the world to get my candidate a higher salary, because in turn I would be compensated higher. What you might be referring to is contract recruiters, where a company gives them say $80/hr to find them a developer, and if you find one that fits their needs for $60/hr you would get the difference in pay? I'm not sure as I don't do this type of recruiting.. but please realize there are many different models that people work under out there before posting these things when you are not entirely sure how the industry works. Thanks, Tony Sternberg Cognizo Technologies 8201 Norman Center Drive, Suite 220 Bloomington, MN 55437 w: (952) 232-0880 x107 f: (952) 922-8444 Click here to see current job opportunities. <http://cognizo.catsone.com/careers/index.php?m=careers&p=showAll> ________________________________ CATS <http://www.catsone.com/> - FREE Applicant Tracking System Joseph Pizzo wrote: I'm usually silent throughout these rants but... There is no EOE (equal opportunity employment) when working with a recruiter. I'm not saying that all recruiters are bad - but they are not there to help you negotiate your salary... they are negotiating their commission. Recruiters will ask you "what is the least amount of salary you will accept for this position?". That same recruiter will go on to the next person and ask them the same question. They will take the lowest bidder and pass them on to their client. This is bad because it lowers your salary for the entire time you are employed at a company. "They" (meaning companies hiring and recruiters) love this game. Recruiters make a hefty commission and companies use part of your salary to pay them. The company hiring for the position is supposed to pay the recruiter - but they are doing it with your money. This also means that the company is getting a "bargain" because they only have to pay a recruiter once - meanwhile you are making less money than you should be for the remaining time of your employment. This is bad for the companies looking to fill a position because they are not going to get the best candidate for a position. They will get the lowest bidder not the most qualified person. --- On Thu, 7/17/08, Kristina Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Kristina Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [nyphp-jobs] job: Sr. PHP developer - startup - Union Square NYC To: "kaye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> , jobs@lists.nyphp.org Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:25 AM also Environment: Relaxed can often mean "Not only does our senior management LOOK like a bunch of potheads in their super relaxed casual wear, they actually ARE a bunch of potheads, and this is their first real job, and therefore while THEY may find the environment relaxed, you their employee will be subject to constant boneheaded reversals and poor decision making skills on their part ensuring that you are anything BUT relaxed." -- Kristina > stuff like > > Environment: Relaxed > > actually means "we all wear really hideous casual clothing, and we want > you to dress this way too, because if you're comfortable in your funny > shorts and faded t-shirt, then we think you won't realize that you are > working 12 hour days in a slavepit without even some non-soundproof > cubicle walls to call your own." > > This is a prime example of what you do not want to say. > Programmers don't care about dress codes. Even if there is one, we are > going to dress the way we want to dress anyway. > > also, exactly WHAT is "in the space between e-commerce and content / ad > driven"...? > > > --Kristina > > > > Listening to the list last night and this morning, why not tell us > > recruiters, both in-house and agency, what you want to see in the ads? > > > > I've cut this down to the bone. I've got more information but all the > > verbiage in an email isn't as good as a 10 minute conversation with > me, > > and a face to face with the client company. > > > > If you are interested, or you want more information, drop me an e- > mail > > or give me a call. The number's there. > > > > This is an employee position. > > > > Location: Union Square, NYC > > Company type: small, interactive, whose profitable business is in the > > space between e-commerce and content / ad driven. > > Environment: Relaxed > > The need: a strong Object Oriented PHP developer who likes to write > > complex SQL statements and can also produce excellent front end AJAX. > > > > The team is multi-national, as is the senior management. > > > > What will you be doing? Creating scalable websites whose hit numbers > go > > from 10s of thousands to 10s of millions. Growing - expected to > double > > in size in two years. > > > > Excellent benefits. > > Salary, depending on experience, to 95K + bonuses. > > > > All replies in confidence. > > > > -- > > What's around the corner? > > > > Arthur Kaye Concepts in Staffing > > v.212-293-4353 9 E. 37th St. 2nd floor > > f. 212-652-0789 New York, NY 10016 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 212-725-0300 > > http://www.cisny.com/ > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs > > > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > > _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php ________________________________ _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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