I'm not sure a Union would solve the problem. I've been exposed to a number of Union workers and they become very complacent knowing that they going to be making the same regardless. I feel this could de-value the profession.
CT On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Kristina D. H. Anderson < k...@kacomputerconsulting.com> wrote: > I for one am grateful to see the passionate opinions being voiced > here. In an industry where so much is expected of us in terms of > knowledge and commitment, and which has been subjected like no other > profession to the forces of "globalization" (i.e. wage reduction), we > do need to consider, really, how offensive it truly is that anyone > feels our work is worth "minimum wage". > > And we are subjected to insulting stereotypes which hold that "computer > geeks" enjoy their work too much to care about what they get paid, or > that all we need are some old T-shirts and some cold pizza and we are > good to go...and how much can that cost? Please, programmers are not > all the same, and some even have families they need to support, or > possibly even other goals besides spending the rest of their lives > toiling over a hot text editor for practically no money...*GASP*. > > This all comes back to the issue that I feel is at the core of > things...the lack of licensing or credentialling organizations in our > field that would perform the core functions that they do in other > industries...namely to maintain a certain exclusivity of talent and to > fight against economic pressures seeking to dampen wage or salary rates > in our industry. Or a programmer's union that could mandate that the > MINIMUM hourly rate for any union programmer is $40 or $50 or whatever > they decide on...and make it hard on companies that don't use union > programmers...or whatever the solution might be. > > I feel that attempting to take work away from NYC programmers by > undercutting our billing rates to the tune of 8 DOLLARS AN HOUR should > be explicitly prohibited on this list, because it IS offensive, and > even potentially harmful. > > Happy coding everyone, > > Kristina > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > I was not trying to be rude or disrespectful to the person who posted > the > > advertisement. I monitor the list for Jobs in NYC to see what > employers are > > looking for. Seeing someone posting an Ad for what is .75 above > minimum wage > > here. I have ZERO desire to compete with those prices regardless of > the > > state of the application after developed. > > > > I've been developing PHP application for over 7 year and my base > price is 8 > > times the lowest they would take to develop an application. I'm sure > there > > are other PHP developer here in NYC that are in the same boat. Why > would we > > want those types of Ads. > > > > I'm sure there are some skilled PHP developers in India that are > willing to > > write applications for 8-15 USD. But no skilled PHP developer in the > NY is > > going to work for those prices and I spoke up to halt the competition. > > Nothing personal (and I mean that) > > > > To be honest I didn't really have a problem with the Ad but when it > said 8 - > > 15 USD. I couldn't let it slide. > > When it comes to "*jobs*" I only care if PHP recruiters and/or > developers in > > NYC benefit from this list and that message didn't benefit anyone in > NYC. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Paul A Houle <p...@devonianfarm.com> > wrote: > > > > > Web wrote: > > > > > >> I would share this with my friends but I don't have any friends in > India. > > >> Nor do I get work from India. > > >> That's why I'm on this NEW YORK PHP list. For New York PHP > jobs. NEW > > >> YORK! > > >> Start your own IndiaPHP list. > > >> Thank you, > > >> > > >> > > > People in India don't get work from India. A big drop in the > dollar > > > would be good because it would bring jobs back to the US and > encourage other > > > countries to develop balanced local markets in goods and services. > > > > > > There are some world-class organizations in India, and there are > a lot > > > of smaller ones that aren't so good. Overall, India tends to > underprice > > > software development work (and other white collar) done in the US > by about > > > 2/3. In the better cases, you're paying for more people and for > people to > > > manage the extra people, and get good results. In the worst > cases, you > > > just get ripped. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List > > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs > > > > > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > > > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > > > > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > > > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Chauncey Thorn > > PHP Developer/Systems Administrator > > email: chaunc...@gmail.com > > url: http://www.cthorn.com/ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > -- Chauncey Thorn PHP Developer/Systems Administrator email: chaunc...@gmail.com url: http://www.cthorn.com/
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