Guys, I think you're being rude with the original poster. He is just selling his fish, like you do almost daily on this list.
I never directly spoke with Kristina, neither I live in US (I'm actually from Brazil), but I found her first email very aggressive and rude. I think the guy was trying to say he wants someone to be a CTO that has "Open Team" in mind. What I said here is something that I would love to see in whatever company I'd work for. This talk from Cal Evans illustrates a lot what employees expect from their bosses: http://blog.calevans.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Open-Teams1.pdf Maybe the guy used wrong words (I love to drink a beer at work, but it's also prohibited in Brazil - I just think it shouldn't be mentioned on job posting), but it's his way to do so. It's the same thing if any of you misspell something - as I probably did -, and in 20min appears tons of emails making fun of it. I expect more maturity not only on job postings, but also from anyone that follows this list. Thanks, On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Edward Prevost <[email protected]> wrote: > You know I usually try to just ignore you Kristina, > > But you're once again (I think your sophomoric statements about > Coldfusion was the last cause for me to pipe-up) creating an atmosphere > to this list that I find "a total turnoff", and a sad reflection of your > character. > > The reason this list exists is for those with professional PHP skills to > have an easily accessible stream of available positions. If a poster > posts positions that are most surely PHP intensive, and if they do so > with a passion as to attract a particular type of candidate, it is > completely within the scope of this list. > > I'd rather have more posts of that than "Python programmer needed... who > may have seen the letters 'P','H' and 'P' coupled together in a sentence > at some point in time" type posts. > > Your hateful, insulting and just plain liable (The poster never > mentioned age requirements) comments are in no way, shape or form > helping people using this list, nor fairly representing the intelligent > and professional subscription base. If you have criticisms to offer of > the poster, having perhaps first-hand experience that an > environment/position is not as it is being portrayed, then by all means > share; but to just take the opportunity to lash-out at a post that you > feel doesn't cater particularly to you and your employment needs is > immature and ultimately poorly reflective of the professionals on this list. > > Mr Bonaddio I apologize on behalf of the list for Kristina's lack of > wisdom in responding to your post, and I appreciate you taking the time > and interest to post to our list, and to seek to describe the > environment of your organization clearly. There are certainly members > of this list that would find your available position intriguing, and > there are others that may be very uninterested; alas, this is always the > case in any industry, but your attempt to be up-front about the > atmosphere I commend and appreciate. > > Thanks, > Ed > > On 4/11/2011 5:23 PM, Kristina Anderson wrote: >> Us old ladies don't know ANYTHING about music, we listen to that, you >> know, old lady type music. >> We just would NOT fit in, it's quite certain. >> >> On 4/11/2011 4:56 PM, Norm Shulman wrote: >>> Doesn't the music choice say - " only Hipsters Need Apply" :) >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Kristina Anderson >>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 4:53 PM >>> To: Matt Juszczak >>> Cc: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [nyphp-jobs] CTO/Lead Engineer Opportunity >>> >>> It may be becoming more common, but it's a total turnoff to most >>> people. It >>> doesn't seem like good business to limit oneself to hiring those >>> under 25 >>> and/or those with alcohol abuse problems, especially for >>> a CTO position...? You're automatically excluding the best talent from >>> the search from the get-go, and attracting the sort of employee who >>> won't be >>> able to do the work properly, thereby resulting in a poor product. >>> >>> There's no way a job post like that can yield any "top talent". >>> >>> On 4/11/2011 4:46 PM, Matt Juszczak wrote: >>>> Kristina, >>>> >>>> In their defense, this kind of agile, work hard, play hard environment >>>> is becoming much more common. One of the largest start-ups I know >>>> gladly gives free alcohol to their employees, and yes, they drink >>>> during the day. But no is irresponsible, and it's been rated one of >>>> the top companies to work for. Like Nik's company (I assume), they >>>> are looking for top talent and wouldn't hire people who are likely to >>>> abuse the system. My guess is (though I don't know Nik) that his >>>> company also has an extremely relaxed vacation policy, because it >>>> isn't about the time you take, it's about the work you accomplish. >>>> >>>> -Matt >>>> >>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Kristina Anderson wrote: >>>> >>>>> These are the sorts of job posts that just make me look forward to >>>>> switching to a different career... "kegerator"& "beer pong"? >>>>> I should want to hang out with you outside of work and watch you >>>>> drink until you puke while listening to loud rock& roll music? >>>>> (From the tone of the below it seems like you may be doing this >>>>> during the workday!) >>>>> >>>>> Clearly nobody in this awesome company has yet seen their 25th >>>>> birthday... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/11/2011 3:47 PM, Nik Bonaddio wrote: >>>>> I'm not a recruiter. Recruiters are lame and have no idea what >>>>> they're doing. I know exactly what I'm looking for, so I'm >>>>> posting here. >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> Let's start with the boring stuff up front: We're a small, >>>>> agile, well-trafficked startup in the sports analytics space. >>>>> We've been covered by TechCrunch, we've been written up in >>>>> Sports Illustrated, and now we're going to revolutionize the >>>>> way >>>>> users consume and engage with sports content. Our founders are >>>>> ballers, our advisors are even more ballerous, and just wait >>>>> until you see our product.. >>>>> >>>>> If you're someone who loves sports and also loves building >>>>> products, then we're your company. Even if you're not a huge >>>>> sports fan, feel free to reach out to us - we're more >>>>> interested >>>>> in someone who knows how to get stuff done. If you're wondering >>>>> what kind of people we're like socially, we have a kegerator in >>>>> our office and our most played artist on iTunes is Animal >>>>> Collective. You should be able to get our jokes and we >>>>> should be >>>>> able to want to hang out with you outside of work. >>>>> >>>>> Our stack is built on PHP and MySQL, but we're considering >>>>> moving to Couch or Mongo. What do you suggest? We'd love to >>>>> know. We have a world-class designer and front-end developer on >>>>> board, we need to find someone who is comfortable on the PHP >>>>> backend, taking things from the browser-level all the way down >>>>> to the DB. We're not looking for someone who is merely good; >>>>> we're looking for great - '85 Bears great. Lemieux in the 91-92 >>>>> playoffs great. Lemonade and BBQ on a Summer afternoon great. >>>>> >>>>> Skillsets: >>>>> >>>>> o Excellent PHP skills (should be comfortable building out an >>>>> application scalable to 100,000 daily uniques) >>>>> o Knowledgeable of system-wide architecture (setting up >>>>> version control, release engineering structs, etc.) >>>>> o Comfortable working in a fast-paced startup setting >>>>> o Familiarity with beer pong and general precepts of social >>>>> skill >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nice to have: >>>>> >>>>> o Familiarity with HTML/CSS/jQuery (not totally necessary as >>>>> we already have a world-class designer and front-end) >>>>> o Sports fan (big, big plus - let us know what your favorite >>>>> team is) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What we're not: >>>>> >>>>> o Some huge, boring company where you'll have meetings about >>>>> meetings >>>>> o A company that works in a space that you could care less >>>>> about >>>>> o A startup that values founder's valuations over the future >>>>> gains of the employees >>>>> o A company founded by a bunch of suits who can't code Hello >>>>> World in BASIC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Even though we're a startup, this is a salary position. We'll >>>>> shell out for the right employee. There is also a TON of equity >>>>> involved; you're the third employee and huge part of our future >>>>> success - we'll take care of you. You should ideally be in NYC, >>>>> but that won't stop us from moving forward with the right >>>>> person. >>>>> >>>>> To apply, just send us a resume (please send >>>>> [email protected]) >>>>> and we'll go from there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List >>>>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs >>>>> >>>>> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online >>>>> http://www.nyphpcon.com >>>>> >>>>> Show Your Participation in New York PHP >>>>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List >>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs >>> >>> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online >>> http://www.nyphpcon.com >>> >>> Show Your Participation in New York PHP >>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs >> >> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online >> http://www.nyphpcon.com >> >> Show Your Participation in New York PHP >> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > -- Guilherme Blanco Mobile: +55 (16) 9215-8480 MSN: [email protected] São Paulo - SP/Brazil _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
