Hi Maarten,

I did look at logback and slf4j right at the beginning.  I just felt 
that that entire eco-system was getting lost in abstractions piled upon 
frameworks, etc.
My feeling that is that logging libraries should be simple and 
lightweight, as it really isn't a very complex task.

In the end I wrote the project because the task just interested me anyway.

I understand what you're saying about arbitrary dependencies... But 
performance should be a consideration in a logging framework, and 
there's no contest there between joda and the standard api, IMHO.

Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> {Off topic]
> 
> Hello Bruce,
> 
> Have you checked out the log4j alternatives before you started log5j ?
> 
> Have you seen http://logback.qos.ch/ ?
> * it's based on java 1.5
> * it's designed by the founder of log4j
> * it implements the SLF4J API
> * hence it supports a format  strng  + arguments
>   (although not using the ava.util.Formatter.format() methods.
>   see
> http://www.slf4j.org/api/org/slf4j/Logger.html#debug(java.lang.String,%20java.lang.Object[])
> 
> Also, I do like joda-time, but I don't think a logging-framework should
> depend on it.
> 
> regards,
> Maarten
> 
> On Feb 2, 2008 2:43 AM, Bruce Ashton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I've just put up a new project on sourceforge using joda-time.
>>
>> Log5j [ https://sourceforge.net/projects/log5j/ ] is essentially a log4j
>> clone, but set up for Java versions 5 and above.  The main difference is
>> slightly more flexible logging methods using Java 5's varargs feature.
>>
>> The latest code in subversion (but not yet released) also features
>> logging methods that format messages in the same way as the
>> java.util.Formatter.format() methods.
>>
>> I was prompted to do this after seeing too many instances of
>> "logger.debug(string1 + string2 + ...);" in the code I work on, which
>> everyone knows is inefficient, but for some reason still happens all the
>> time.
>>
>> Anyway, please check it out.  I would be interested to know if other
>> people think it's worth the effort, or if I'm just tilting at windmills.
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Bruce.
>>
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