Hey,

I was the one submitting that patch. I haven't really participated
afterward, work on my
PhD thesis has consumed all my time, unfortunately. But I try to follow the
progress, and
hope to contribute more when the dust settles.

I really like the idea of having a VUWidget in the instrument view as well.
Also, I believe pop-up buttons generally are a bad solution. Changing the
volume is something
you do very often when recording, so it should be instantly accessible.

Regards,
Knut Erik Teigen



On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Tom Halligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I do like the mockup - maybe a little polish would be needed, but it
> does the job. I don't really like the way it looks as if it's just
> drawn on top of the InstrumentViewer, rather than an actual feature of
> it, but that's just nit-picking.
>
> I found this:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/jokosher-devel-list@gnome.org/msg00239.html
>
> Did you ever get a response? I'm not that up to date on gstreamer
> itself so I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking for there - but since
> Jokosher has a VUWidget anyway, am I right in assuming that the
> problem is fixed? If so, we could just go ahead and try that patch,
> maybe with a few alterations here and there (say, to include input
> volume control, and track volume control when not armed to record?) -
> see if people like it or not.
>
> On 6/25/08, Laszlo Pandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Tom Halligan wrote:
> >> ....
> >>
> >> Maybe the easiest solution would be to use a small, horizontal VUWidget
> >> rather than the current volume slider? Although this doesn't solve the
> >> space issue - it would at least be more intuitive as a volume control,
> >> and also doubles up as a level monitor. The mute functionality could be
> >> incorporated into this, so then we'd just have three buttons to deal
> with.
> >>
> >
> > See this bug from a *really long* time ago:
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/jokosher/+bug/70351
> >
> > And the screenshot accompanying it:
> > http://www.kryogenix.org/random/jokosher-vumeter.gif
> >
> >
> >> Another option, although a lot more work than the above, would be to
> >> implement a rotating 'dial' widget (like those used in FruityLoops, for
> >> example). This would look out of place with Jokosher, though - and I
> >> don't think many people honestly like these things anyway, so probably
> >> best to avoid it.
> >>
> >
> > This is explicitly prohibited by the Jokosher way, as originally defined
> > by Jono when he wrote about the stupidity and unusability of audio
> > editors which try to be familiar by copying the mixer desk controls.
> > They fail miserably because mixing desks were not meant for mouse
> > manipulation.
> >
> > The prime example of this is the rotating dial because it is really easy
> >   to control with your fingers when you have grasp and tactile feedback,
> > but it is absolutely impossible to use when a mouse pointer.
> >
> >> I do think a sliding control is still the best option, but I guess to
> >> some, the horizontal slider would remind them of a pan control. However,
> >> the slider's 'groove' (Or whatever you want to call it) does become
> >> shaded to the left of the slider handle, which does suggest some kind of
> >> 'increase' as we move towards the right, rather than just a left vs
> >> right balance. Perhaps if we could make it more obvious that it was a
> >> volume control somehow - although I don't think the confusion between
> >> volume and pan would be anything serious, even for people used to such a
> >> thing. A fixed, vertical slider could be the easiest way around the
> >> space issue, although this obviously means something else would have to
> >> be compromised.
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >>     From: "Jeff Ratliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> >>     To: jokosher-devel-list@gnome.org
> >> <mailto:jokosher-devel-list@gnome.org>
> >>     Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:33:07 -0400
> >>     Subject: Re: [jokosher-devel] [PATCH] InstrumentViewer volume slider
> >>     patch (SVN Rev. 1519)
> >>     Sorry, don't think I sent this to the list:
> >>
> >>     The volume slider in this position makes the think of a pan control,
> >>     not a volume control. This comes from my experience with physical
> >>     sound boards though, and a novice may not have this problem.
> >>
> >>     You could do a volume icon that pops up a volume slider, a la
> >>     rhythmbox and others. If you were really clever, you could find a
> way
> >>     to integrate it with the mute button and take up no additional
> space.
> >>     This is less discoverable though, and would really rely on a good
> >>     descriptive icon, or a little mini popup arrow thingy (excuse my
> >>     advanced technical jargon). :)
> >>
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