Actually, Miro, it seems to me that it is very generic.  The only Tomcat
specific stuff is "plugged into" the server.  If one wanted to do what you and I
want, we would simply write out own implementations of sender and receiver, and
pass a class that extends SecurityContext so that server-side verification can
be done by the receiver.

I am interested in implementing this for RMI, in which case I would still use
the sender and receiver in the same way they are being used now (so that one
wouldn't have to write several senders and receivers to accomplish the same task
in different deliveries of JOnAS).

I still have a few question, but I am downloading Jonathan now to see if I can
answer them myself.

1.  When/where does the "jonathan.prop" file get loaded fo the client?
2.  Would this work for a client that was an Applet?
3.  How should I use/supply the "request_id" that is being passed in?

I expect to find the answers in the code... but if any of you have them off the
top of your head, let me know.

Thanks,

John

"Halas, Miroslav" wrote:

> Hi Phillipe and John,
>
> thank you for the great document, it explained a lot. One first impression
> is that the current implementation of the security authentication is very
> Tomcat specific, but once the client call gets past the authentication and
> the security context is set, everything else (methos level access checks) is
> managed by Jonas and therefore is transparent for the application. John, I
> would be interested in seeing your design if it is available, because the
> JNDI authentication seems to be more generic and should work with different
> types of clients. Phillip, what are your expectations in how Jonas
> team/application developer will provide security features for different
> types of clients (fat client, different web server)?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Miro Halas
>
> Miroslav Halas
> Software Engineer
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philippe Coq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:38 AM
> To: John Ellis
> Cc: jonas
> Subject: Re: 2.1.1 Security Problem
>
> John Ellis wrote:
> >
> > Christophe,
> >
> > Thanks for your reply, but I am still a bit confused.  I was searching
> <all> the
> > source code to find where the propigation was being done.  I couldn't find
> it.
> > Also, I am not as interested in making it work now (I have a workable
> solution
> > for the present) but in making sure I understand (and can maybe influence)
> the
> > eventual direction of authentication in JOnAS in general.  It seems that
> you are
> > making the assumption that all clients are the source for the secrutiy and
> are
> > secure themselves (which is the case for a Tomcat client, but not a thick
> Java
> > Application client or an Applet).  Another point of clarification is that
> I
> > don't care about security on methods, but I do care that the
> > "getCallerPrincipal" call returns some valid and authenticated result.
> These
> > direct questions will address my concerns.
> >
> > 1.  When does the SecuritySender and SecurityReceiver get called?
> > 2.  Is the SecurityContext kept with the bean for the life of
> > the bean?
> > 3.  If this is all tied to threads, how would you handle the situation
> > where a thick client logged in to a JNDI Context then passed that
> > Context to another thread?
> > 4.  How does a client VM (seperate from the EJBServer) get the
> > SecuritySender, or does it even need one?
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > John
> Hi John
> you will find as attached file a description of how is propagated
> the security context in JOnAS with Jeremie.
> I hope it will help you.
> Best regards,
>
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