A lot of untrue waffle. For a start, Debra's reply to your rude mail to me was ON LIST. You wrote it to the list, she responded. No one has ever asked you to stop replying to mail on list. You have been asked to stop writing your abusive mails off list to members. There is a difference. a big difference. Any mail sent to the list can be replied to. Your attempt at turning this around is childish. Do you really think people will fall for this? And as others will attest to, it is not just Debra and I that you abuse in this way. Until about 18 months ago, I enjoyed getting emails from and considered you a nice person. Then it all changed. i don't know why. Also, as far as your politics go, i don't give a toss what you believe in. I don't even know what you believe in. Why? Because you are so damn rude about it, your message is lost. To head this message 'personal attacks vs ideaological debate' is so laughable for it is YOU who is into the persoanl attacks. You just cannot seem to help yourself and worse, you refuse to recognize your bad behaviour. There are none so blind as those that refuse to see. the only reason I have asked you not to write to me privately is because you are abusive, no other reason. and like abusive people, you refuse to see it, you blame all of us here on the list instead. What you call sarcasm is not. It is abuse. simple. (besides which, isn't sarcasm supposed to be the lowest form of wit?) As for Patrick's comment, I can see why that was so hurtful. But I read it like this: I would feel dirty too if I prentended friendship towards someone who i knew to be abusive and who had abused me. Maybe that is not what he meant but is what i took from it. This list really is not for you to flaunt your ego and for you to batter so many people. You are as entitled as anyone else, to share your views. Many, including me, do. What we do not do is name call, belittle and genrally be really nasty. if you can find it within yourself to stop being so mean, the trouble will cease. I am not surprised you support Layrent and that you single me out for my comments to him. Others felt exactly the same way. they way he used yesterdays anguish to further his points is disgraceful, just as the way you twist things is. As for your comment about this being Clinton's fault, your NEWS SHOWS yesterday were actually blaming the domestic flight people because they did not want the heightened security because your countrymean did not want to be held up getting to and from their destinations. If you could alter the way you write to people, if you can stop with the abuse, then this 'harrassment' of you, as you see it, will stop. It would have stopped long ago if people hadn't decided that to ignore it was best. A bit like trying to ignore an elephant in the house and walk around it. I believe in human nature being good. I have hope. Perhaps eventually this breast neating and abuse will stop.
