In a message dated 12/09/01 18:17:54 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I ask that Debra Shea Azeem and Colin and Patrick Leader not read this post. If they choose to do so I ask that they not comment. Lets see how well they obey anothers request since so many have stated emphatically that thats verboten to disregard someone elses requests.>> This would be laughable if it weren't so logic-defyingly obtuse. "I'm going to write a post about you (amongst other things) to the public list and if you read and/or reply to it then you are just as in the wrong as I am in mounting a remorseless, invasive campaign against someone who has repeatedly asked me not to email her off list." No, that won't wash. I AM NOT GOING TO TOUCH YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE DISASTER. Yes, I read the post, Marcel, as you wanted me to. And I'm replying to it, which you apparently didn't want me to. And the reason is I need to remind you, again, of how spectacularly wide of the mark you are if you think that replying to your post on list in any way equates to your abuse of Debra. Your post that was titled "Your skirt is up over your head", that one in particular. << Debra Shea contacted me first. proof delivered. She wasnt writing to the list as evidenced by her addressing me directly. She was writing to me. I responded to the above. >> She posted to the list, so that everyone could see her reply, and so as not to be engaging in private discussions with you. That you don't recognise this distinction suggests that either you have a serious blind spot on this very simple point, or you are simply pretending not to understand the distinction. << Ok you have all had your fun attacking Marcel Deste as a human being. Even my wife. Are you all proud or do you now all go and wash your hands with Patrick Leader. >> I haven't had any fun in all this. I was attacking your behaviour, not you, which you may think is the same thing, but I don't. Patrick's post was pretty strong, and it was a low blow to drag your wife into it - although he didn't actually insult her at all - he expressed pity for her and insulted you, calling you an asshole. I don't think it's big or clever to hurl abuse like that around, and I include you in that - you referred to Debra as an asshole in a private post to me a few months ago, remember? << My only "crime" has been to want to keep personal and potentially incendiary ideological debates from intruding into everyone elses life since the actual purpose of the JMDL is music not Ideological Jihads. Consideration for other people is bad. Mea cupla. >> NO, NO, NO!!! Your "crime" is to repeatedly send insulting, invasive, invective-ridden private emails to someone who has repeatedly asked you not to. I distinctly remember Debra requesting that if you have anything to say to her, you say it on the list, NOT in a private email that goes only to her and not to the list. Exactly how does that infringe your right to self-expression? << I have never called Debra Shea a bad person. Shes a Marxist ideologically but I have never called her names. Just differed with her World Views. Another of her supporters said "Im just as big a pinko Communist as you" to Ms. Shea. Is that person a cyber-terrorist. If not why not. >> Except when you called her an asshole. Yeah, that was private to me, and maybe I'm breaching a confidence here, but it was unbelievably insensitive of you to make comments like that to me, when I had already signalled to you that I didn't like the way you were talking about her. And anyway, the point isn't ONLY about name calling. You were harrassing her and filling her mailbox with hate. You may look at it as, in your words, "keeping personal and potentially incendiary ideological debates from intruding into everyone elses life" - I call it rank and cowardly abuse, conducted away from the glare of the list, where you knew it would not be tolerated - as we subsequently saw in the large number of people who objected to that post. << If Shea, Azeem, and Colin comment on this post you will know they violate all the rules they and others have attacked me for not respecting. I have categorically demanded that they delete my posts. Time for certain people to live with the rules they make or be exposed as hypocrites. >> No. You have got completely the wrong end of the stick. You just can't see it. Azeem
