Lieve,
I will prohbably start backing away from any more comments on our stuation
for awhile. I feel deliberaltely misinterpreted on some points. Perhaps
that has become because I have been more emotional than usual lately. I
don't mean to make anyone's head spin and thought my comments have been
pretty straightforward. I did not say Americans had exclusivity in the
grief. I only (and this is probably the fourth time I've written this here)
criticized two journalists. Many non-Americans who are on the list list
have shared their own grief and I know they are completely sincere. I am
very aware of the long years of fear of terrorism and attacks that you have
been subjected to in the U.K. I realize that all of Europe is at risk and
have had many incidents oever the years. Maybe this effort of so many
countries coming together now may make a significant step towards
eliminating it in every form.
I did not make the comments about Catholicism to start a fight or offend
anyone. It was just another one of many thoughts that have gone through my
head in this issue. There has been much written here about pacificism and
the Christian approach. It made me think back to what I was taught in the
church I grew up. Although I am well aware of the old history of the
Catholic church, I repeat (again) that I was only thinking of modern day
Catholicism. I can write a long list of my personal experiences with that
church that would serve as "proof" for my statements of their anti-war and
pacifistic direction, but I don't want to blather on and on here. So Lieve,
don't shudder, someone being concerned for their country and waving a flag
is not really as scary as you might think.
Take care, Kakki
> Or maybe just quickly this: about catholicism and pacifism. I was raised
a
> catholic too, before I grew up and realised I could not believe what they
or
> any other religion told me (sorry Vince, I think you are an absolutely
> wonderful person but I only believe in our own human duty to behave
> morally). So I am speaking from within, and there are a lot of catholic
> writers and thinkers and ordinary people (including my uncle who is a
priest
> and an absolute treasure) who I have a lot of respect for. But I need to
> say, Kakki: the catholic church has only recently developed a "pacifist"
> stream, comparable to that of any proper, moderate muslim thinking. It's
> certainly nothing "typically catholic". And see how many catholic priests
> in Northern Ireland are still supporting terrorists - giving them proper
> military burials when they die "for the cause", a cause that is also
naively
> sponsored by Noraid from New York.
>
> Ah well, it's so difficult to be brief about things like that, I must
stop.
> Just to say again how much I appreciate pieces written recently by Kate
> Bennett, Debra, Mike, Vince, Brenda, Marian, Yael, Evian, Michael, Fred,
> Sherelle and doubtless some others I don't recall right now.
>
> Ashara, I am in utter admiration for what you are doing. I would love to
> make it for the Jonifest next year but am not in a position where I can
> commit myself at this point. I just hope very much that you will get
enough
> deposits together and that I can make it. If you are getting close to
> losing the booking and you need a few more names to commit themselves,
> please let me know and I will see what my situation is by then.
> Lots of love to you all,
> Lieve.
>
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