Kakki said:

>I hope you will read up on the situation of the women in Afghanistan - you
>don't have to see the documentaries.  It is horrific beyond all imagination
>what they are, and have been, subjected to under the Taliban. Much
>information has been out there for a number of years now - this didn't just
>start as an issue yesterday to somehow discredit the Taliban.  They have no
>good days.

Oh, I totally do not doubt that the situation for women under the Taliban 
is horrible. I am aware of that. That wasn't what I meant.

But I disagree with the statement "They have no good days." And where I am 
coming from is the following:
For years I was impassioned by the whole Reviving Ophelia, 
girls-lose-their-self-esteem-when-they-get-to-middle-school stuff. I really 
really cared about all the girls who were such victims of unjust society, 
unequal treatment at school, eating disorders, depression, etc. I still 
care about middle school girls. A lot. And I agree that they face an unjust 
world. I don't mean to be flippant about them.

But I have shifted my stance. While it is important to recognize that 
people are caught in unfortunate and unjust circumstances 
*that*are*not*their*fault* (ie: poverty, racism, sexism etc are systemic 
problems that need to be addressed at a systemic level; abuse and neglect 
are also important problems that aren't their fault), I also think it is 
vitally important that we recognize young people as active, thoughtful 
agents in creating their own worlds. Young people can create community 
change. Young people are not all either victims or perpetrators. Young 
people are not druggies, video-game-watching-bloodthirsty-killers, 
irresponsible teen moms, loiterers. They are not dangerous. Definitely not 
any more than adults. In fact, all of these things (crime, drugs, pregnancy 
out of wedlock, all the things typically touted as youth "problems") are 
things done way more by adults than youth. They might be things we choose 
to define as societal problems (or not), but they aren't really youth 
problems.

I sort of veered off topic there. What I meant was, young people, despite 
the fact that they live under severe restrictions (a lot of towns have 
curfews, many malls don't allow youth to be together without adults, etc), 
have their lives highly scheduled, etc, can have good days. Even poor 
children living in squalor can have good days and actively engage with 
community. They have hopes for the future. They have fears but they also 
have ideas, and some of those ideas they can act on, even despite their 
circumstances.

I'm not saying that we ignore the structural and community problems 
(poverty, abuse, etc) - definitely not! Those are things that we need to 
work on, and work on passionately. I'm just saying that when we define 
youth only in terms of their victimhood, everyone loses out. We lose out on 
what they have to offer.

I don't want to deny that to Afghani women. I don't like the way they are 
forced to live. I think it is horrid. They definitely are victims of their 
unjust society, in a serious way. But they are also active agents in their 
worlds and day-to-day lives. I'm sure they have their good days. And 
actually, the fact that there is a group of Afghani women organized to 
create change, publicizing their plight to the outside world, etc, makes my 
point. The fact that an Afghani woman created a documentary makes my point 
too.

Their situation needs to change. But I do not think we need to strip them 
of their humanity and their agency to make that point.

That's all I meant by that. :-)

hugs,
Yael, getting all impassioned and also late for work.

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