Thank you for the lesson.  Do you teach music?  Obviously your avocation 
too.  I will print this out and study.

Bree.... who can be off-beat

>It's an interesting question this one! Joni refers to the rhythm on TI
>and other similar songs (Cherokee Louise, Crazy Cries of Love) as her
>shuffle. Melanie was right - there seems to be a "3 feel" going on as
>well as a "4 feel".
>
>With these songs you can count a slow, steady count of 4 throughout the
>song *or* you can count in faster groups of three:
>
>*1* 2 3  *2* 2 3  *3* 2 3  *4* 2 3 (where the asterisks mark the slower
>count of four).
>
>On Crazy Cries of Love, listen to the rhythm of the words on the chorus
>where Joni sings "paper thin" (no  paper thin walls). If you repeat this
>phrase over and over, you have the same groups of three as above:
>
>*pa*-per thin  *pa*-per thin  *pa*-per thin  *pa*-per thin
>
>This is the basic groove for TI, Crazy Cries, Cherokee Louise and
>several others. Because you've got four groups of three beats, it's
>usually written down as a 12/8 time signature - meaning four beats, each
>made of of 3 eighth notes. It's the same 12/8 throughout, though
>Joni accents different beats to make it more varied.
>
> >The two that still stump *me* are "Stay in Touch" and "Love Puts On a New
> >Face" on TtT.  Anyone have those figured out?
> >
>
>These have some strong off-beat rhythms on the guitar, and because
>there's no drum track, it seems as if the beat is being pushed and
>pulled all over the place!
>
>Stay In Touch is actually in 4/4 throughout, but it sounds more
>complicated than this just because of the strong off-beat strums
>on the guitar.
>
>Love Puts On A New face is also in 4/4 except for one bar of 2/4
>in the introduction, but again, Joni's very rhythmic guitar playing
>makes it feel like the beats are coming in unusual places.
>
>Joni's always had a very strong sense of rhythm on the guitar, and I
>think this comes through more strongly on these tracks because they
>are quite sparse - no drums or percussion, just guitar, vocals, a
>bit of keyboard and not much else.
>
>I remember Joni quoted Wayne Shorter after he heard these tracks, and he
>said that people would never know "where one was" - i.e where the start
>of each bar was, and it's true that the simple 4/4 time that's used on
>many tracks is kind of "disguised". Even the person who transcribed the
>music for "Face Lift" for the TTT songbook was thrown off the scent, and
>wrote bars of 4/4, 5/4 and 3/4 - it's actually 4/4 all the way, it just
>doesn't sound like it!
>
>Howard


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