Laurent,
I guess I was so impressed with your post I didn't notice I only replied to
you.
I hope to read more from you.
Kasey
Thanks Kasey,
But why don't you post your feelings?
Laurent
----- Original Message -----
From: kasey simpson
To: Laurent Olszer
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Non-Violence, njc
Laurent,
I loved your post. Everyone would love to live in utopia, but the real
world isn't.
I was born and raised Catholic, however I have always had a respect, and soft
spot
for the Jewish people. Jewish people have always (since the beginning of
time) hate,
violence, and enslavement. Yet you go on. It is long past time for Israel to
"get along".
There are bullies in the real world. As long as we sit passively by they will
continue to be
bullies. I would love to live in a world of peace. It was not peace that
stopped Hitler, rather a loving world saying enough is enough. As long as
bullies rear their heads their
will be violence. Had Bush simply said turn the other cheek on 9/11 I fear
the attacks
on our country would have continued. I've read where people believe Bush is a
war monger, "war means money", I disagree. Bush is trying to prevent another
WW. If you turn your head, and live as an "idealist" the Hitler's of world
take over. I think an olive
branch should ALWAYS be the first effort, but when that fails, and force must
be used,
use it. Thanks again for your lovely post.
Kasey
Sharon Buffington wrote on 9/14:
I
> am an idealist in many respects. I say...why can we not all get along?
> Being a Jew and losing relatives in the Holocaust I am fully aware that
> there are bad people in the world. However, I am a non-violent person.
> I believe in using our military to clean up cities, paint old people's
> houses, and on and on...and yet...I also know we need to protect
> ourselves.
You would think
> people would understand that war or aggression or whatever you want to
> call it...NEVER solves the problem. Did Hitler solve any problems? Do
> the Muslims or Irish solve any problems? Are Israel and Palestine
> solving anything? Aggression under a myriad of ideologies..religion,
> ethnic cleansing...does nothing more than call for counter attack. It
> is all so sad. How do we stop? By not playing 'catch' back and forth.
> The one who puts down his or her mitt is really the winner.
>
Dear Sharon,
There I was at Yom Kipour thinking about your post.
Then the rabbi made a speech in which he said that at some point Moses asked
G.. to show him His glory (i.e. His power). And G.. answered; "I'll show
you My kindness".
So there I understood where the calls to non-violence made by you and other
JMDLers come from.
Indeed these are highly noble ideals worthy of G.. Him(Her)self, and thus I
respect you for having those.
Nevertheless, things are not always what they appear to be. Remember, when
Nazis took Jews away, they never told them they were going to be gased
because otherwise they figured the Jews would defend themselves, having
nothing to lose. They said they would be "relocated with their families".
The theatrical set up was so well perfected that until the last minute the
victims believed they were going to take a shower. The rumors about the
extermination were simply too horrible to be believed by most Jews (some
fought, but not many). There have been entire books written about this evil
machinery and all its trickery so I won't elaborate.
The point I'm trying to make is this: there have been a lot of
Israel/Sharon/Bush/Jew bashing in the world media, especially in Europe.
This has led to hundreds of antisemitic incidents in France alone
(synagogues burned down, jewish school buses attacked, etc) over the past
year, and most have been unreported by the official media and minimized by
the French govenrment.
Now those media are criticizing Israel for using violence (I call it self
defense but that's another debate).
My personal feeling is very simple: we Jews didn't disturb anybody for 2000
years when we had no army and no way to defend ourselves. Now that we do,
we are being bashed for using it. Those same people would much prefer the
old undisturbing version of docil jews quietly being led to slaughter.
Please Sharon let history teach us something.
Laurent
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