kasey simpson wrote:

> Vince,
>     Just how much SS did this man and woman pay that they
> will never see?

Social Security payments are capped, no one pays any additional over a
certain dollar amount, somewhere - I think and I may be wrong but not I
think by much - in the mid $60,000s of annual income.

> How much tax have they poured into the system
> that they will never see?  How many years did they work and do
> without so they could retire? They scam the system?

Yes, they scam.  What we are taking about here is Medicaid, not Social
Security.  They are able to shelter their assets and thus claim that they
have no assets and receive Medicaid that is intended for the poor.  It is
all legal.  Our office does this because it is legal.  It is smart
financial planning.  But why shouldn't this couple have to pay their own
medical expenses?  Why should my tax dollars pay for their Medicaid
benefits when they have the money sheltered to give to their heirs outside
of the system?

In other words, Medicaid is paid for the poor, and for those who have
enough wealth to qualify by sheltering assets.  Who is without Medicaid?
The working poor, the working class, the lower middle class.

>  There wouldn't
> be a system without them.  But I guess they should keep giving to
> the system, and paying the taxes, and their kids can pay the taxes
> so we can fund more of the endless, mindless programs.

No, Kasey, these people are getting a means tested benefit that they do not
qualify for other than by sheltering income.  If this were a poor couple
getting extra benefits, they have been called "welfare queens."  When the
moderately wealthy and rich get extra benefits it is called "smart
financial planning."

Set your rhetoric aside, stop giving speeches, and consider:  Who is
without Medicaid?  The working poor, the working class, the lower middle
class.  All we have to do is extend Medicaid to everyone, because EVERYONE
does pay into it, it is just that the working poor and the working class do
not get the benefit of what they have paid for.  The solution?  Give it to
everyone.  That is universal health care, a system I prefer to the current
program of health care for the rich.

Vince

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