Jeff quotes Franklin> Hey Jeff, kudos for your investigative savvy. Even I DIDN'T know I was listed on that "special thanks" section. (LOL)
My pleasure, Franklin. From the moment you stepped into this discussion
list, I sensed a change in the air. A bit like old One Eye in White Fang;
muzzle up, tail stiffened, not satisfied, and striving to understand the
message born upon that air.
Franklin> The self-induced, paranoid, threatened variety perhaps? Sigh - I guess every "open" discussion reveals those who uncontrollably suffer the "muzzle up, tail stiffened, not satisfied and striving to understand the message born upon that air" syndrome: members who voluntarily "police" it, cavaliarly brandishing their badge at the naieve, the unwary, the innocent. As you apparently inhabit that self-appointed, self-sanctified position, all I can say is - "are we having fun yet?" Then again, upon more solemn contemplation regarding your above statement - it could indicate a serious sexual problem??? Don't worry - I have absolutely NO interest in your medical records (BTY, did you manage to locate mine along the way?)
>Franklin> Upon further inquiry (I e-mailed the contact button at >http://www.reconcilerecords.com) I discovered my hitherto unbeknownstJeff>Great. I too have been trying to learn more about Reconcile Records but I just can't seem to locate them. Oh well, must be me."honor", buried in the back and immediately sent an inquiry (via their "contact" button as to WHY?)
Franklin> My mistake there, Jeff (but then again, with your extraordinary intuitive investigative gifts, you must have surely deduced that as a mistake on my part. After all, the name Reconcile Records is also prominently displayed on the site. Once again, kudos, that's the job of all self-appointed vigilanttes: to overlook the obvious in search of accidental, meaningless mistakes, in order to "trump up" charges against anyone you personally deem "unwelcome" on "your" turf. How predictable. I meant http:www.lacowboy.com which I and others I know obviously "consider" the Reconcile Records site. That's what their e-mail replies to me state. You're right on top of everything again - except, OF COURSE, the music in question. hmmmmmmmm, are you sure that you're in at this party for the MUSIC, or are you perpetually "on duty" (for only God knows what)? Lighten up, even "street-beaters" have to "party" sometimes. Otherwise the pressure just gets to be too much, as your "threads" so blatently indicate. A lot of burn-out in that industry, as I recall viewing on some late night documentary dealing with such.
Franklin> Are you asking,implying, or stating??? If it perchance be the latter, who am I to disagree with an "authority" figure as impervious to the thoughts and feelings of others as yourself? Why bore you with any of MY questions? Then again, if they concern YOU, it might keep the door open to your favorite topic - yourself.And from "Sue Stark" (label manager):"Due to the fact that we would have never had contact with him, or acquired this lovely site if it hadn't been for your sharing spirit, we added your name as an afterthought at the bottom of the "special thanks". Thought he would have told you... Sorry for the surprise and if you do not want it there, we will have it removed. You and those like you prove that this is>a small world, and often smaller proves better."Jeff>Isn't that the truth, Franklin?
Franklin> Just an educated guess. Your last e-mail didn't strike me as having any particular air of one who seeks to adventure too far from their own pre-conceptions of new, different people, particularly anyone potentially engaging. In other words, your "acceptance" quotient obviously isn't quite as large as your unbridled ego It was just a small step to apply that to all things unfamiliar to you - new art, no doubt,in particular. As for your last line above: It actually has me bursting into song "Getting to know you, getting to know all about you. Getting to show you, getting to show that I care". Hey! Congratulations... you've actually steered me BACK to the initial topic in question: MUSIC... remember? Oh,oh. Sorry, I forgot - as I'm getting to know "you" that's not a topic you're particularly interested in. (a TIP: keep your eyes open. There are plenty of other's giving "many selfless plugs" for "obscure" artists (presumably meritorious in the opinions of those proffered). You'll find other souls to assault here all day long!! You'll have a field day, if you just keep your "one-eyed, muzzle upped, tail stiffened dissatisfaction" going... something tells me that will be NO problem, if you catch my drift.)>Now my question to you would be - as a savvy Internet "map" traveler,Jeff>Damn, you are certainly no chump. 'Presumably' sure says it perfectly. How did you know I had so little interest in la cowboy? Nope, it was you,obviously intrigued enough to thoroughly investigate the "official" L.A. Cowboy site, did you hopefully fulfill your (presumably) initial intention and visit long enough to savor his unusual,(brilliant really) "quotes" page? Did you read any of his magnificent poetry, listen to his unique world-class music?
Franklin. So much to say and so many selfless plugs of an 'obscure' artist,
I just had to get to know you better.
>Just understandably curious - as you made absolutely NO remarks - positive,No. It wasn't.But what a loser I would be if I didn't learn something along the fetid way. I sludged through that wellspring of wit and lo and behold found a few so telling I am compelled to share:negative or otherwise regarding my artistic recommendations. Perhaps you were so excited and enamored to find my name buried at the back of the site under that of my acquaintance, Brooke, who built it, that you totally forgot the reason for the visit. If that be the case, I recommend you reevaluate your initial intentions and re-proceed upon the quest with a renewed vigor to investigate the artist in question, as assumedly your investigation of me is now concluded. I do believe that WAS your initial intention - to explore the artistry of L.A. Cowboy - wasn't it?
"Lies,
by definition
are manipulation,
my dear." Now where did I see that 'my dear' before ...?
Franklin: Hmmmm, a letter from your mother? A Walt Disney movie? (Mary Poppins comes to mind). Some polite soul who uses common English? Written on your bathroom mirror? Anyone responding to your agitated, self-important spirit in a polite, charitable fashion? You've got me there. I use that common, endearing salutation myself sometimes. It could hardly be construed as "plagurism". But then again, to a voluntary "security guard"??? What is your point, my dear? Oh, I almost forgot, you're fishing without a liscense using cheap bait.
"The seventh-day Sabbath of the scriptures is the appointed
foundation of all Divine worship." Thanks. I was never able to quite clear this wicket.
Franklin> Am I supposed to act surprised? Although the comment in question is hardly ground-breaking, it is stated rather eloquently, don't you think? Do you think? I don't know - read Genesis 1 (providing the Bible doesn't offend you.) Ask any Jew (providing they also don't offend you). BTY, which wicket was it that you hadn't previously been able to clear, "the seventh-day Sabbath" or "Divine worship". You really attempt to be less abstract with your insults - hardly commendable for such an "expert".
"The modern so-called gift of 'speaking in tongues',Franklin> Which you have,in your own marvelous manner, again redunded. Perhaps you've finally found your expertise - at least it appears so. BTY, I'll bet you could add to that list, referring to "self-stimulating forms of spiritual masturbation" I mean. Just an "educated" guess, mind you.
is merely a self-stimulating form of spiritual masturbation." Overlook the redundancy, this one bears repeating.
Franklin> So you DID find a treasure-trove of great, singly-significant lines (as Joni and a few other artists are so well known for) amidst those poetic lyrics!! Finally gaining some ground here. Whew...one of the very reasons I recommended L.A. Cowboy to my Joni-enjoying clan in the first place!! Hmmm, maybe I've been unfairly jumping to conclusions regarding your cognitive capabilities after all. Apologies in order??? Hmmmmmm, I'll have to think about that one."My songs are miniature quote books." Indeed.
Franklin> Oh don't take it so personally Jeff. But then again (???), doubts are often symptoms one would be self-deceiving to avoid. Perhaps that's why so many avoid them - would you care to weigh in with your own "expert" opinion on this one further? If it means anything to you, regardless of one "quote" (the best are often still just opinions, after all), I still consider you arrogant. There, does that make you feel any better? You've taught me something!! While I understand the above "quote" in conception, there are obviously "exceptions to every rule", whoever said that. You've proven an age-old, overlooked axiom, all by yourself. Congratulations in order! But wait, I've accidently jumped the gun _ (not yours,BTY). Upon further reflection, I think I agree totally with that statement. Your attempts at being arrogant ARE failing "like it or not". So solly."A fake is generally devoid of arrogance...like it or not." I have my doubts.
"He who does not enjoy his own company is usually right." Ziggy?
Franklin> Missed that one. Is that a friend or just a personal nickname?
"If I didnt waste my time thinking, Id spend my time talking" Or writing.
Franklin> Not a bad additional caveat, in your case. I find it fascinating when people add to other's qoutes, comments. Kind of like making your own words up to a well-love song, personalizing it. I'll hand that to you, you do appear to enjoy writing... but then again so do many on this list. (PERSONAL TIP, once uttered by a well-known editor to a fledgling wannabe: -" don't waste my time with anymore mere self-gratifying words. Remember, to some of the public, content actually counts.")
"Modern ecumenicism - the setting aside of doctrinal differencesFranklin> Man to man, if you say so... you're the expert on all things... remember? Let me see; about that commonly used term (at least in Minnesota) - yikes: Where and in how many ways could you have possibly heard/read it in your short life: from Yosemite Sam? Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora? Pat Conroy in his Village Voice interview? Anyone having suffered through your unexpected, uninvited, unappreciated, self-appointed "scrutiny"? Perhaps even Joni channeling her thoughts while reading your unprovoked (let's not forget unprovocative either) assaults on this list?
in the name of "christian" unity -is, in essence,a form of spiritual homosexuality: like attracting like. YIKES! (or is it YUCK ?!)"
Yeah, that man to man stuff is pretty wicked, huh? Now where did I see that
'yikes' before...?
"Hey I'm just a broke 'rascal' but most chicks dig it anyway...What can I say?" What CAN you say?Franklin> What do you want ME to say? Your "projections" (psychological term) are getting a bit personal here but what the hell, most busy-bodies do, so I'll "humor" you - just this once, mind you! I'm afraid that although I personally, as an artistic civilian, might not have experienced the "chick magnet" charisma that many a poet and singer/songwriter enjoy, I've had my share of love and affection from those I find appealing. I can understand the much larger phenomenon surrounding any celebrity, and even the occasionaltrue artist, including L.A. Cowboy; if I were to want to spend (waste) my time sitting around pondering it that is. But if that's your thing? I prefer to dwell on different subjects, like music that moves my soul. I can say that at least I'm by no means broke - although, once again, my bank account is also off limits. Alas, you no doubt have already verified that somehow, you tail-stiffened, muzzle up ol' snoop dog you - so I'll just accept your bizarre sarcasm as ANOTHER personal "dig". (Tip: I sense if you addressed me in person, you'd be far more polite. In fact I'd virtually guarantee it. Hint: stuttering counts as politeness when meeting certain individuals. Now that would be entertaining to witness.)
Franklin> We agree, wow! I understood that one myself. I'm certain you know JUST who to forward it to. (Why can I envision you just rubbing your sweaty palms together in unabashed glee, you poor, bored...whatever) Let me guess, anyone who you can attempt to recruit to ride along on your attempted "reign" of relentlessly self-satisfying, bloody, back-alley social "abortions"."The epitome of an oxymoron: "rap music"" Perfect. Let me forward this to a couple of JMDLers.
Franklin> Me sly..? I'm afraid neither of us can claim that description - though God knows, you try. And as for your implication that I agree with that particular quote (although I think I can capture the attempted conveyance - as I'm quite sure Joni would, judging from her recent public weigh-ins concerning "artists" of questionable talent - you go lady!)...BUT WAIT... what else am I reading here?"There is nothing quite so pathetic as a failed attempt at creativity." You sly dog you! This is exactly what I need for the third grade class tomorrow. They were struggling today with colors in a sky and I was lazily content with 'loser'.
OMG - I'm holding court with a third grader??? JM's admirers certainly DO span the spectrum of age that defies time and defines timelessness... BTY, my regard for your vocabulary has just escalated - although it troubles me that someone so young would have such a bitter, insensitive, jaded and impertinent spirit. Do your parents know that you're on the Internet conducting yourself in such a brash manner? I'll assume not, as they would hopefully immediately, conscientiously curtail such activity. Then again, I don't know your familial circumstances: product of divorce? Orphan? One thing I do know is that the "apple doesn't fall to far from the tree" (I'm not sure who to attribute that too - is that acceptable? I did include quotes ;)).
I can only hope that your influences in the future prove more positive. Otherwise I'm afraid you will have to remain "lazily content with 'loser'". I wouldn't take that above quote to personally kiddo. I interpreted it as referring to the sometimes abysmal results attributed to "adults". But then again, that was just my initial interpretation. As far as your current, ambivalent self-image: That's ok, I tend to accept people where they are - as if that isn't already obvious to everyone following my patience in dealing with your unfortunately pitiable pathology(s?)
Franklin> I'm not sure we necessarily agree there. But then again, as I read the introduction to that "quote" page, it stated something like, "quotes, quips, meanderings generally attributed to the Cowboy." You'll forgive the paraphrase - oh wait, I forgot the kind of spirit I'm dealing with - of course you won't. So what!"I'm just another artist, with inordinate feelings to go along with my inordinate obsessions for creating creations." >Jeff Sublime.
Franklin> I can understand that "quip". An artist of his obvious abilities. I don't think that attitude is uncommon among artists/writers/poets (Oscar Wilde comes to mind). But back to your own small (very small, I might add) contribution: Now there's an oxymoron (humbly pretentious) if I ever heard one, and since you give no attribution, credit is certainly due to you, so let's not be modest here!! Makes sense to me. I, for one, won't question the authenticity of your fledgling attempts at originality. WOW, just think of it!! Now, YOU can start your own "guotes" page. I know it's only one quote, but hey - one little step at a time. One that in time will certainly (in your eyes at least, and that's all that matters to you - provide some, no doubt, extraordinary personal value)."I hate to sound pretentious: but wait.......... I AM pretentious." Humbly pretentious.
What perplexes me, is that among an obvious large and varied mixture and stream of thoughts and sayings (the "quotes" page in question) that you would "cherry pick" some of the less meaningful meanderings to dwell on while I personally found so many beautiful insights into art, life, love, creativity there that I, and certainly you might actually benefit from. Oh, wait... what am I saying??? It DOES make sense, total sense. If you shared anything profound or meaningful from anybody who someone else recommended, that might take the "light" off YOU). FORGIVE me my momentary slip of cognizance. (TIP: ask mommy and daddy what "forgiveness" is, then forgive them. I assure you, you need to - finally. It will change your attitude, bitterness, self-centeredness (well, that's a pretty TALL order. Let's just say it would certainly constitute a B-I-G start).
Franklin> Although I'm somewhat taken aback, I truly appreciate your recognition of "genuine benevolence", it's rather surprising that you can identify such attributes, actually. Overloaded with coffee mugs, eh? Are you sure it's only coffee you're puttin' there??? Hey, wait just a minute!! Kids aren't supposed to be drinking coffee anyway. Didn't anyone ever tell you it stunts your growth? (rhetorical question) Perhaps you should attempt to make some friends. I know, that's a tough one. Just start by sharing your toys, listening to other's thoughts and feelings, and not becoming jealous, envious or angry when they don't seem to be giving you all the attention, or levy occasional enthusiastic suggestions, the lack of grasp which triggers those 'lazily' horrible feelings of inadequacy.>Of course if you continue to be perplexed, paralyzed by your inadvertently"remarkable" discovery, you could always e-mail Reconcile Records (although they might find such an inquiry rather bizarre - who knows, they've been quite charitable in answering MY occasional correspondence/questions.) Otherwise, I'll gently point you back to the issue at hand: seeking to personally verify a fellow JMDL's opinions regarding the prosodic treasures I've discovered and so considerately (I hope), enthusiastically shared, possibly benefiting from exposure to an artist that you too might find extraordinary. I do believe that this is why we are all inevitably here: to share our love and joy of tasteful,inspiring music. That said, I truly hope you get back on the original trail. The artistic investigation - remember? Go for it Sherlock!!Thanks Franklin. Your genuine benevolence is a ray of light in these conspiratorial days. If only I weren't overloaded with coffee mugs...
Franklin> Well considering your latest self-stimulating attempt at Internet grandstanding (at the expense of another of course - the cheapest variety) I just might risk it. "RAP! RAP! RAP! Let's have some order in this court. And counsel - kindly refrain from any further disruptions. You're not only doing your client (yourself in this particular, peculiar case) but this courtroom a great disservice. I must insist that you refrain from any further distractions". Remember Jeff? MUSIC, the one topic you've steadfastly avoided during your entire charade thus far (not that I mind a good charade occasionally, but I personally find poorly conceived, trite and mean-spirited ones to be embarrassingly (in your case) wearying, boring, monotonous and, frankly blaaze). Best you get off to bed. School tomorrow you know... but wait - it's the weekend... oh shit!>P.S. Although I'm not all that <Jeff> "special", I am rather reserved: That >being the case, I hope you will understand my hesitancy in releasing mysocial security number, credit reports, police record (no felonies, mostly speeding tickets etc.) or rulings regarding my divorce proceedings>(nothing to scandalous - just a bit too sad and personal), particularly asI don't necessarily deduce their relevancy regarding this probatively resolved situation. (wink, smirk, smile)And I wouldn't rap your gavel just yet...
Franklin
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