Joseph Francis wrote: >>The assertion that God is Love on one hand and the >> >> >assertion on the hand > > >>that people who dipelase God will go to hell, is yet >> >> >another example of > > >>bamboozling. >> >> > >OK, well this is hard to try to explain, but I suppose >I will try. > >It all comes from the assumption (which I believe to >be true), that there is good and there is evil. Now, >if you believe (as you have said) that there is some >kind of higher good or power (which I call God), then >you have to believe that there is also some kind of a >greater evil (which I call Satan, or the devil). > nonsense. one doesn't have to believe that at all.
>One cannot exist without the other. > who says? if God is omnipotent, it follws nothing is more peowerful than him. The idea of satn is childish, imo. Evil is a construct of humans, the result of our fear. It has no real power, how can it when God is ALL? > The devil would >love you to believe that he doesn't exist, > and this is an attept to bamboozle. it is used to frighten people into believing the unbelievable. > but where >there is a black, there is a white - where there is >day there is night. Even Satanists believe in God! > Oh and Satanists are reliable people? Seems they are equally as gullible. > >If you believe we have a spirit, then it must come >from somewhere and go somewhere when we die. God is >good. There is no evil in him, no blackness, nor can >there ever be. The opposite is true of Satan. God does >not want anyone to go to hell, but anything that is >not pure and "good" cannot exist with Him. >After Adam and Eve seperated us from God by their sin, >there was no way that we could really be good enough >to come to God. > this is getting very silly. > >In the old Jewish law, they used to place all their >sins on a perfect lamb with no spots - it had to be >pure white, then they would slaughter the lamb as a >sacrifice in order to be purified. As you can see, >this is probably not very practical today....lol > nothing to lol about. i am rather glad this practice isn't common, at elast here. and not because ot isn't practical. >So God sent his only son Jesus to earth. He was >perfect and without sin (He was God). He was to be the >last sacrifice for us - the Lamb of God. >God placed ALL the sins ever commited and that ever >will be committed onto Jesus, your sins and my sins - >like Jesus had done them - and Jesus took our place - >and for a short time at Calvary, God punished him, his >only son for those sins. And boy did he take a lot of >punishment at the cross. > This is what I find appalling. How anyone can believe in a loving God and believe this totally opposing idea too. And MANY MANY MANY people have died far worse deaths than Jesus is said to have done. I wonder fi people ever really think about this. A loving Father brings such agony on his son in order to satisfy his need to punish? It can only be fear that causes people to leave their intellect behind in order to believe this. I recall only too well the fear instilled in me by nuns and priests who taught me as a child. How fear and accusations of badness that were thrust upon any child that dared question the validity of their words. To do this to children is nothing short of abuse. There was no reason and no love and only the strong need to appear to have power and control. > > > >Sure, there are people who do not even know about God >or Christianity, but live good lives, and I don't >believe people like that would go to Hell. > so even you can see the flaw in your own argument so you go against it because it sounds better. In other words, not even your conscience can accpet that those who do not accpet Jesus as saviour will perish. if the only way to be saved is thru Jesus, then these people will go to hell, end of story. >Jesus did say, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. >No one can come to the Father, except through me." > see? you reiterate your point which is totally opposite to your not believing that good non believers will go to hell. This sentence makes it quite clear they will. >( > I find this belief loathsome. Please understand, i do not find you personally loathsome. I find it loathsome because it so so damaging and makes God into soemthing much less that God is. It robs him of His(or her) power and love. That is why i find it loathsome. I do think we are ALL spirit, all part of god, all perfect in essence. I think it is our failure to undertsand this, our belief in our 'badness' that causes the evil we experience. Our path to full expression of our holiness is always open. the only thing that stops us taking that journey is our closed minds. bw colin
