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>In a message dated 1/9/2003 9:49:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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>>Now,
>>if you believe (as you have said) that there is some
>>kind of higher good or power (which I call God), then
>>you have to believe that there is also some kind of a
>>greater evil (which I call Satan, or the devil).
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>No. False. You don't HAVE to believe that at all.
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>I believe in God, but I don't believe in Hell or Satan. I think Satan is 
>man's creation in order to manipulate people & behavior. I believe that we 
>are saved through God's grace, not through good acts. In much the same way, 
>we are not condemned to Hell by our sins, for if we were that's where we're 
>all going so f*ck it let's party! :~) 
>Of course I also believe that everyone's relationship with or without God is 
>a personal issue, so again I'm not trying to make converts...
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in agreement with the above. In a sense we all, athiests, agnostics, 
believers have a realtionship with god in one way or another.

I believ we are 'punished' BY our sins not FOR them. what you sow you reap.
An example of what I mean about being punished BY our sins. I knew a 
woman who was suffering deeply. The reason for her suffering was her 
bigotry. Her daughter she had not seen for years becasue he not only 
married out of her faith but also out of her race. This womans desire 
was to have her daughter back in the fold but minus her husband and 
children. To me that was the beginning of my undersatanding about being 
reaping what we saow and being punished by and not for our sins.

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