Joni Onlys, I respect you and I deeply apologize
Vince the JMDL idiot
vince wrote:
Jim Leonard wrote:
That is the stupidest, most idiotic thing I have ever read in my life. The only taste you have is in your mouth. How fucking full of shit can one person's uninformed opinion be? I'd call your opinion utter foolishness but that would be an insult to fools everywhere.As for Album Of The Year, however, unlike you I'd have voted for Springsteen. I'm not arguing "The Rising" was the best album released in 2002, just that it was the "album of the year," if you understand my distinction.
Ha Ha! There! Is the lovefest over? :-)
Seriously not sure that I agree but I think your case can be made with great legitimacy. Makes more sense here than in best rock album since the rock community really didn't embrace it - it was rock not for the whole rock world but a more defined community, the audience for Nebraska, an album that was an attempt to use rock to transcend rock in making a statement that ahd great meaning for some people. This album used rock as the vehicle for a much broader statement in a way that hasn't been done before, rock as an expression of America in a way that is unique. The Rising was not rock for an age group, for a musical category, but to express the essence of the nation. That is a breakthrough. Am I making sense? Not sure I am explaining the concept I am going for here. That fault to be clear is mine.
My argument for the Eminem Show is not only the quality of the record, being yet another new step forward in rap in which he addresses national issues, political and racial issues confronting our country, but his movement towards establishing more clearly the source of his anger - parents who neglect or abuse their children - and he clearly identifies his pain in the same song in which he states very clearly what is love, what his life is, what is meaningful to him beyond anything: his daughter Hailey. Long time Em fans know his love for Hailey but never did he say that so evocatively, for him, being rapper, being star, it all means nothing, not at all and the madness of the music business can be destructive, and in all this, what is real, what is the only, supra important thing in life. is loving your child(ren) -
because of the things that Em dealt with in the album, this was the rap album that has begun to break through - stories in the New York Times magazine, the New Yorker, the New Yorker cartoons based on Em actually crossing over to a new demographic , the 30-50 crowd - this album shattered a lot of stereotypes and break new ground and break down barriers for some who prior to its release rejected out of hand - so the significance of The Eminem Show is real, groundbreaking. And it was a damn fine album on every level. So that is my argument for why it should have been album of the year - I know I am biased so who gives a damn what I think - but there it is.
Between Springsteen and Eminem there were two valid contenders for album of the year. I might grant the Dixie Chicks a nomination as they certainly are speaking well to their audience, but I wouldn't give it to them because it had no vision to break through to something new as Springsteen and Em did. No one to settle what should have been the choice between these choice and was Coldplay in the category - to me the album of the year should do something to break barriers, move people in a new way, influence the course of music as Graceland did for example which didn't introduce world music but gave us a while new vision and direction of what world music should be - so it was Springsteen and Eminem they should have chose between the the Grammys took the safe middle of the road aor approach.
Just my thought. Dis them everyone, or ignore them, just offering my thoughts on the day after the Grammys.
Vince
NP on the TV: MTV Challenge, Road Rules vs Real World, Battle of the Sexes - another sign that I have some serious issues therapy can't touch
