I've been following this debate with great interest.  One thing that struck 
me was the claim that Madonna & co. were afraid to say what they really think 
of Eminem, or were defending him to appear hip, or whatever.  That may be so, 
but couldn't it also mean that, um, they think he's good and are against 
attempts to ban him?  We attempt to read people's minds at our peril.  I'd 
also be very surprised if what he's saying is any worse than what's been said 
by countless other rap crews; there's the whole argument about inhabiting a 
character, as Ice-T did with "Cop Killer", which struck me as fairly 
obviously a character piece.  When Randy Newman writes a song from the 
viewpoint of some kind of bogeyman, he's hailed as a satirical genius, when 
some others do it, it's a different story.

This doesn't mean I'm defending Eminem's lyrics, but nor am I condemning 
them; even the selection of quotes that were included in the note that Jerry 
posted from his other list don't tell the whole story; they're certainly 
pretty grisly - however, the writer says they're uncensored, but they're also 
completely out of context, and thus difficult to evaluate; context is 
important (if you just take "Short people got no reason to live", it doesn't 
look too pretty), no matter how extreme a quote from them may look.  You 
could take the bit at the end of Stan, where Slim is giving some fair and 
honest advice to his crazed fan, and that does broaden the range of the track 
- it throws into relief the more out there stuff about Stan killing his 
girlfriend and generally being psychotic.  Now, I have no idea how some of 
the quotes Jerry posted could be contextualised so as to make them more 
"acceptable" - so that's why I, personally, will not condemn them.

Just as an aside, Dido has said in several interviews that while she was 
touring with him, he was very kind and considerate - quite a gentleman, in 
fact!

Anyway, as Jerry and others have posted some interesting articles about the 
Grammies, here's a fairly acid (and short) piece from today's Guardian on the 
very same subject; it's by John Patterson.

Enjoy, 

Azeem in London


A little Grammy trivia quiz: in 1989, the Grammys inaugurated their new 
hard-rock category. Who won? Metallica? Jane's Addiction? AC/DC? Iggy Pop? 
All were nominated, and each deserved to win. But none of these 
hotel-trashing, eardrum- perforating noiseniks stood a chance before the 
mighty, bulldozing, hairy-chested heavy-metallurgy of . . . Jethro Tull! 

The boos from the audience proved once again the Grammys' almost Martian 
out-of-touchness. Despite being founded in 1959, the organisation totally 
missed out on the birth of rock'n'roll and failed to nominate Elvis Presley 
until he was almost dead. They preferred Rosemary Clooney. And, although they 
managed to give four awards to the Beatles in the 1960s, that was about as 
close as the organisation was prepared to get to the most turbulent decade of 
the postwar era. 

As race riots burned inner-city neighbourhoods to the ground, and Vietnam 
threatened to plunge the US into civic chaos, Grammy-voters were favouring 
Henry Mancini's Days of Wine and Roses, Herb Alpert's A Taste of Honey and 
the Fifth Dimension's inane Up, Up and Away (In My Beautiful Balloon). 

So, no Grammy for Street Fighting Man? Of course not. The Rolling Stones had 
to wait until 1995 before winning. Bob Dylan got more of the same, and Jimi 
Hendrix had to wait until the worms had dined a full three decades on his 
remains. Add to this the 1990 Milli Vanilli debacle, and the threat of 
boycotts after Tony Bennett and the Three Tenors won in 1995, and you have a 
quite remarkable record of cluelessness. 

So I think we should be pleased about Eminem and Sir Elton John's much- 
discussed musical summit. It's not often the Grammys get people talking. 
Unless it's to squawk: "Oh, turn this shit off - Temptation Island's on 
Channel Nine!"

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