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> JMDL Digest Sunday, March 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 144
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> The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be
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> a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more.
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> TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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> Re: one tin soldier rides away ["Louis Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> Movie NJC [Vince Lavieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> Re: Movie NJC [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Re: For The Roses ["Louis Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> Joni's portfolio [evian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> Re: For The Roses [Penny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
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> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:34:06 -0500
> From: "Louis Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: one tin soldier rides away
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> Nuriel,
>
> One of my favorite songs, recorded by a one-hit band called "Coven." It was
> written by Dennis Lambert and Brian Potter. I have the original sheet music
> from when it was a hit on the radio.
>
> Listen children to a story that was written long ago.
> About a kingdom on a mountain and the valley far below.
> On the mountain was a treasure buried deep beneath a stone.
> And the valley people swore they'd have it for their very own.
>
> Chorus:
> Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend
> Do it in the name of heaven, you can justify it in the end
> There won't be any trumpets blowing, come the Judgment Day
> On the bloody morning after, one tin soldier rides away
>
> Now the people of the valley sent a message up the hill
> Asking for the buried treasure, tons of gold for which they'd kill
> Came an answer from the kingdom, with our brothers we will share
> All the riches of our mountain and the treasure buried there.
>
> Chorus
>
> Now the valley cried with anger, "Mount your horses, draw your swords!"
> And they killed the mountain people, until they won their just reward
> Soon they stood beside the treasure on the mountain dark and red,
> Turned the stone and looked beneath it. "Peace on Earth" was all it said.
>
> Chorus.
>
> In case you want to play it, it's in straight 4-4, two chords per measure:
>
> Verse:
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> F C | Dm F |
> Bb F | Gm7 C7 |
> F C | Dm F |
> Bb F | Gm7 C7 |
>
> F Bb-F | (one measure turnaround to chorus...)
>
> F Am | Bb F |
> F Am | Bb F |
> F Am | Bb F |
> F Bb | Bb ... |
>
> F Bb-F | (turnaround back to verse)
>
> Regards,
> Harper Lou
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nuriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 12:08 PM
> Subject: one tin soldier rides away
>
>
> > i was wondering - is one tin soldier rides away a joni song? can anyone
> tell
> > me more about it? it seems like there's a beautifull story going in the
> song's
> > lyrics. what's it all about? and who's that awfull singer that performs
> it?
> > she sounds beyond breathless. can you tell me more?
> > yours,
> > nuriel
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:16:38 -0500
> From: Vince Lavieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Movie NJC
>
> As far as the recent little email wars, please, let's quit it. I am the
> moderator of a church online forum and I get enough bickering and
> name-calling and sarcastic barbs on that. I come to the JMDL for a
> happy community with mature people.
>
> Les told us to go out and get fresh air, so I went to the movies, where
> the air was not fresh, but I finally got to see Pollack. Wait for the
> video if you haven't seen it. Ed Harris was good and so was Marcia Gay
> Harden, but the film somehow missed telling me what was really under
> Pollack's talent and torment.
>
> Speaking of movies, I have my Oscar picks all made, but rather than
> start bickering over who actually deserves to win and whether the Oscars
> are a sham and all that, I will make these observations for films
> released in 2000:
>
> one of the best movies that I ever saw: Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon,
> although goodness knows we've argued about that and subtitles in here
>
> two movies to see that are splendid films: You Can Count on Me (an
> excellent movie, well scripted and acted and very thought provoking
> without ever being heavy) and O Brother, Where Art Thou.
>
> the movie I hope wins the big prize tomorrow: Erin Brockovitch. Hey,
> its about legal assistants (which I am by day, the minsitry being for
> the night and weekends) and even more, about legal assistants being
> smarter than lawyers, and that won my heart! I normally cannot abide
> Julia Roberts movies, but what an engrossing film and she was wonderful!
>
> As well, Traffic was also engrossing, although not as much fun, but
> Benicio Del Toro was wonderful and that idea about the bunny heads at
> the end of the movie could make smugglers of us all.
>
> biggest musical surprise: Emmylou Harris and Alison Krauss, with Gillian
> Welch, doing the intoxicating (as it should be, the were the Odessey's
> Sirens) song "Didn't Leave Nobody But the Baby" on O Brother Where Art
> Thou. That song is mesmerizing, in the movie and just as much on the
> cd.
>
> Movie that I knew would be confusing and was: Before Night Falls, since
> Julian Schnabel makes confusing films, but Javier Bardem was astounding,
> and got me really interested in reading Reinaldo Arenas's poetry, which
> I did get some of from Amazon.com. For people who don't mind confusing
> films, it is worth it. I defy anyone to pick out the second role that
> Johnny Depp plays in Before Night Falls (I know but I was tipped off),
> and I'd like to know which role Sean Penn played as I missed that one
> entirely.
>
> movie that was the biggest disappointment: even more disappointing than
> Castaway, was Chocolat with its gapping plot holes and garbled script
> and utter predicatability throughout. The movie is lovely to look at
> but it is like cotton candy, all sweetness but filled with nothing.
>
> Happy Oscar watching to those who watch, and happy nonOscar Day to those
> who don't.
>
> (the Rev) Vince, remembering today Archbishop Oscar Romero of El
> Salvador, who was martyred on this date in, I think, 1980 and I am going
> to look that up now.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:11:01 EST
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Movie NJC
>
> In a message dated 3/24/01 11:07:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << You Can Count on Me (an
> excellent movie, well scripted and acted and very thought provoking
> without ever being heavy) >>
>
> thank you for mentioning this excellent,beautiful movie.In addition to
> it's very fine acting,It's one of those rare movies where the characters seem
> like REAL people,not one dimenional stick figures only there to further the
> lame plot.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:27:03 -0500
> From: "Louis Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: For The Roses
>
> Scott, Kakki and all...
>
> What IS going on here?
>
> Some posters got a little nasty with their words. It might have been
> offensive, but we all have said offensive things now and again. For crying
> out loud, even Joni herself has said offensive things -- and she has even
> been known to call people names. Nonperfect people who aren't emotionally
> dead sometimes get carried away and say some mean things.
>
> Earlier I posted a comment about the rude exchange -- basically that I think
> people should be free to say whatever they want on this list, or anywhere.
> Surely, if they offend people, they will hear about it soon enough.
>
> As soon as I wrote that, I received a private e-mail from Kakki, which I
> would not describe as polite. I responded that I didn't understand where
> she was coming from -- I hadn't called anybody names.
>
> Now Scott tells us that she has left the list with "customary grace."
>
> Actually, Scott, your long post sounds like a "customary guilt trip."
>
> I'm sorry if Kakki feels compelled to leave because she didn't like the
> exchange between two people on the list. I didn't care for the exchange
> myself, but I have a Delete key on my computer.
>
> If Kakki was upset with the exchange, she could have expressed her concerns
> to them directly. She certainly didn't hesitate expressing her disapproval
> of my fairly benign reaction to the exchange.
>
> I find the majority of posts on this list entertaining and informative. I
> have enjoyed reading many of Kakki's posts.
>
> And I certainly would hope that she also realizes that the camaraderie and
> news available on this list has too much value to throw away, just because
> she sees an occasional comment she doesn't like. It's not a perfect world
> out there. But I have found this list to be a GOOD thing. And the people
> on the list are GOOD people.
>
> I don't think anybody on this list has ever "skewered" Kakki or anyone else.
> In fact, from my experience, virtually everyone on the list holds her and
> her opinions in most high regard.
>
> You imply that she's leaving the list because it's not "a place to be proud
> of." Scott, that's not the truth and I reject it thoroughly.
>
> Occasionally things go wrong between people. And, occasionally we are going
> to read things we don't like on the list.
>
> If Kakki feels that occasional disputes or e-mailed offenses are too
> overwhelming to remain a part of the list, many people will miss her. If
> her e-mails have all been flawlessly polite and sensitive and her dedication
> to the list has been as pure as what Scott claims, then we have lost a vital
> member of the community.
>
> But, it is Kakki's decision to lose the community, not the community's
> decision to lose Kakki!
>
> Hope to hear from you again soon Kakki,
>
> Harper Lou
>
>
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 8:44 PM
> Subject: For The Roses
>
>
> > It starts with a web search. "Joni Mitchell." You sift through the hits
> and
> > before long find the Mecca. Joni-Mitchell-dot-com and JMDL-dot-com. You
> > have followed her career, every step and every song, for decades. It's a
> > glorious discovery...there are others out there who truly appreciate her
> > art. Kindred spirits who "get her."
> >
> > You lurk for a while and one day take the plunge. You wonder how you will
> > be received after that first post, and check your e-mail constantly for a
> > while, hoping that response(s) will be positive.
> >
> > A few exchanges begin, on-list and off. Friendships are born. Siquomb is
> > spoken. Life is good!
> >
> > You develop relationships. With the list, with individual listers.
> Checking
> > for "new mail" becomes fun and important to you. You open up more, and in
> > so doing, find that not everyone is nice. You learn that this "community"
> > has its share of dysfunction, and if you're a contributor to the list,
> > eventually you're going to take some heat.
> >
> > But your love of Joni's craft is unwavering and you are by nature an open
> > and generous person. You couldn't change these personality traits even if
> > you wanted. You could lurk, or you could toss it in, but you have so much
> > to give, so you stay. And you become a very visible and revered member of
> > the community.
> >
> > Years pass. Concerts, fests large and small, tapings, exhibits. Fate is
> > kind. You share the experiences. By default you become a ringleader. And
> > you're damn good at it. Serendipity puts you in the right places at the
> > right times, and you warmly and skillfully report back to the community so
> > that we who are interested may live vicariously through your "real life"
> > Joni encounters.
> >
> > Despite all your contributions, skirmishes develop. Unwarranted personal
> > attacks lead to despair. You put so much into the group and would go
> > forever without so much as a "thank you" but it's worse than that...a lack
> > of acknowledgement would be OK, but the skewering...for what reason? What
> > did you do to deserve this?
> >
> > I don't blame you for leaving. I've gone away before myself a time or two.
> > But each time I return it's with a more jaded view. Nobody would lament
> > that for me, but for you...ahh...you're different. You represented so
> much.
> > You were the ideal JMDLer. And now you're gone, perhaps never to return.
> >
> > It is with much sadness that I announce to the list that Kakki has left
> > this "community." She departed with her customary grace and without
> > fanfare. She's not pining, she's not sulking, and she doesn't know I'm
> > writing this. In fact she is spending the weekend taking care of her
> > elderly father. But she's withdrawn from the JMDL, and I thought the list
> > should know that. I want you to consider, prior to the next time you
> > exercise your right to "free speech" and post away with insulting and
> > insensitive words, that if we really want this discussion group to be a
> > place we're proud of, we've got to consider how our posts can impact
> > others. Please use temperance the next time you put a name or a label on
> > someone. That isn't preaching, BTW...it's a plea.
> >
> > What does a particular Joni song or album mean to you? A question for the
> > ages. Tonight I'll put on her favorite, "For The Roses." I'll listen to
> the
> > music and I'll think of what we've lost. I'll hope that her memories of
> > time spent here will be of the good times, not the bad. I'll remember how
> > much she has enriched my own experience, and give thanks. A martini glass
> > will be raised, the ice cold elixir savored, with one simple thought:
> baby,
> > this one's for you.
> >
> > Scott
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:22:21 -0600
> From: evian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Joni's portfolio
>
> > I hold nothing against Geffen for not promoting this material.
> > What possible way could one package these to a mass market audience in
> > love with main stream, feel good pap? Do you really think 4 out of 10
> > average music buyers is going to listen to Wolf in Lindsey and think,
> > "Coool. Let's get that album for tonight's party!" based on promotion?
> > It may have drawn the curious enlightened few, but Joni's music doesn't
> > 'fit' the general norm people buy and play music: as feel good listening
> > entertainment, to dance to, as atmosphere at a party, or to make love
> > to. She's too heavy, too off the beat, to verbose and cerebral, and too
> > cynical for general consumption.
> >
> This is certainly true and right on the mark for Mingus, but I think
> that CMIARS and NRN were seriously undermarketed -- CMIARS, in
> particular, could have been huge -- had all the right pop hooks, the
> gazillion guest artists, etc. However, the label basically left it
> there to rot, where it could have shot up the charts. Same thing for
> NRN, especially with the recent "come back" of Bonnie Raitt, Rondstadt,
> etc. But again, the label chose to throw millions into the latest Cher
> album, and spent a bundle on videos of Cher prancing around with her
> arse hanging out all over the place. Admittedly, I get really tired of
> the Joni "I make no money and the industry is out to get me" stories,
> but with those two albums, she's more than justified.
> Evian
> np: FTR (been listening to this all day, haven't played it for
> months... doesn't get any better than this)
> ps -- Just finished watching Almost Famous -- what a frigging awesome
> movie!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:58:38 -0800 (PST)
> From: Penny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: For The Roses
>
> Thanks for the sad news, Scott. Very well written, but I truly doubt the
> ones that need to, can or will hear.
>
> Kakki, may I suggest something? Lurk or be a "winger", if that latest
> term catches on, and then send your wonderful posts to your long list of
> list friends who don't go out of their way to reply with digs, mocking,
> blanket (mis)characterizations of entire groups of people(s), baiting or
> just a springboard for yet another tired rant. Sure, the list proper loses
> because they've lost you, but you'll still have an outlet to share your
> love of Joni, general music appreciation and vast knowledge with many,
> while at the same time being spared the stress of feeling you have to
> respond to crap list posts directed your way. BTW, don't blame you a bit
> for calling it quits - but make sure I'm on your "send to" list! ;-)
> I've always appreciated your thoughtful and well expressed posts!
>
>
> Take care,
> Penny
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