John wrote:

> Early morning in Holland ... sun rising over the sea. <major snip>

Your whole post was beautifully written, John - much better than I ever
could.  Thank you.

And then I also read:

>Kakki's decision brings out the eloquence in many

This to me is the greatest irony of all.  We all bitch and snipe at each
other for a while, then someone actually reacts in a tangible way.  Why does
it take this kind of extreme reaction to make everyone pull their heads in!
I liked this list much better when Kakki was a part of it - I also hope that
her decision is not final, but if it is, Kakki, I hope you stay in touch.
And maybe Joni was actually writing about this discussion list when she
wrote:

This is really something
People will be envious
But our roles aren't clear
So we musn't rush
Still, we're burning brightly
Clinging like fire to fuel
I'm grinning like a fool
Stay in touch
We should stay in touch
Oh! Stay in touch
In touch

Part of this is permanent
Part of this is passing
So we must be loyal and wary
Not to give away too much
Til we build a firm foundation
And empty out old habits
Old habits
Stay in touch
We should stay in touch
Oh! Stay in touch
In touch

During times like these
The wise or influential
They can bear the imperfections
They can keep the honey
No doubt about it
No doubt that's essential
No doubt that's always been a tricky one for me
So, we should just surrender
Let fate and duty shape us
Let light hearts make us
Let the worries hush
In the middle of this continent
In the middle of our time on Earth
We receive one another
Stay in touch
We should stay in touch
Oh! Stay in touch
In touch

Thank you, Joni.

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