In a message dated 05/24/2001 1:40:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< So, I don't think her assertion that she's "absolutely not a feminist" has 
 anything to do with her preference of the company of men to women. I think 
 she just got tired of being left out of the big picture, which in her 
 heyday, as today, was dominated by men.
  >>


I find it a bit ironic because Roberto's post describes very excellent 
reasons why she should be a "feminist." Always left out of the big picture, 
always being "pretty darn good....for a girl."  There was a thread a few 
years ago on an interview with Joni by ani defranco where ani took Joni to 
task for this "I'm no feminist!" stance. 

I always find it interesting how people get thrust into the position of hero 
or spokesperson for a cause when their passions are gunning for something 
else. It's interesting to see if they can pick up the cause, remain true to 
their original work or if they just want to mind their own business and do 
what they want to do. 

Kakki pointed out that Joni is wary of being labeled because labels are 
limiting and inevitable dead ends. "Appearing tonight only! Canada's Leading 
Feminist Song-writing Painter!!" It's bad enough that there was a time when 
people looked through her songs as simply a kind of National Enquirer tell 
all of her past boyfriends, can you imagine the horror of having her work 
reduced to nothing more than a feminist thesis?

But in my opinion,  Joni unfortunately falls short and misses the bus here.  
Accolades and recognition sometimes get the bonus prize of responsibilities. 
It's not a perfect world and there is no getting away from the glass ceiling, 
the double standard, the male dominated big picture. If she is as smart as 
she says and as enlightened about philosophy and life as she claims, her 
statement, (and it's not just one slip of the tongue, it's been an on going 
assertion by her), that she is "not a feminist....." are poorly chosen words. 
And this from someone who understands the power of them!

By declaring herself "not a feminist," she's gone and done the pigeon holing 
to others that she does not want for herself. She's gone and labeled 
"feminists" as those who prefer the company of women to men. She's 
consistently reduced the idea of feminist to something as trite as that when 
it's a whole lot more with more at stake. She's gone and belittled the 
artistry of other women because they are not her "peers." I don't think that 
anyone is disputing that, it's the labeling that she is participating in 
here. Baez and Collins and Simon may not be her peers but that's because they 
are not the same caliber artist as she is, not because they are women. 


Of course, you also have the whole side topic of what it means to be a 
feminist. There are those who see it reduced to "abortion on demand," those 
who see it as "man hating," others who see it as a constricting militant 
philosophy that threatens the fabric of our society. And I'm sure that 
feminism is all that, depending on the individual who claims to be one. 

Imagine the difference if Joni had said: "I'm not a feminist! That's too 
constricting for me! Better to call me a "humanist" because I think that we 
all are who we are, labels and sex be damned, just let me have a chance based 
on my ability!"

MG

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