So do mannish grrrls like susan just halfway kinda take the edge off? There is a really great photo of Momma Cass and her kid eating birthday cake, it's by that Diltz guy that did the Morrison Hotel photo, really funny, I think one of his best shots. No one ever called Gertrude Stein a Tom Boy, Teddy B. Toklas
"Baby what you're holding, Half of that belongs to me, and I'm a real straight shooter, if you know what I mean." Mommas and Poppas -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kakki Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 8:43 PM To: hell Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gertrude Stein of music SJC Hell wrote: > I think Cass was an exception to the "norm" of the time, but probably > similar to Joni in her attitude to the music business. In a video > documentary I have, Denny Doherty relates drinking boiler-makers under a > table in a bar with Cass, and describes her as "a woman after my own > heart...." which I took to mean she was "one of the boys". In that regard, > maybe Joni viewed her as being like herself - trying to make it as a serious > artist in a man's world. IMO, Cass (and Denny also) carried John and Michelle. They could have never been what they were vocally without Cass. She was the strong voice that the rest could follow and find inspiration from - indispensable in a group harmony, and magical in their case. Maybe that's why Joni respected Cass. I thought Kate du Nord's comments were very insightful. I've always been just like Joni in the sense of always preferring male company. I recall Joni saying in an interview that she always played with the boys in the neighborhood from early childhood (but also had her friends Sharon and Betsy). The two neighborhoods I grew had mostly boys and only one or two girls. We were all friends but because the boys were in the majority, their play activities kind of dictated ours on a daily basis. As an adult, I just find men more fun to hang out with. They are adventurous and one doesn't get bogged down in the petty competitive, scratchy stuff that a group of women can sometimes get into. Men have a calming effect on me (maybe it's a hormonal balancing ;-) I have lifelong best girlfirends, too, but they are also "guy girls" like me. Kakki
