The problem with this suggested change is that it requires unencoded JSON 
objects to be transmitted with no transformations whatsoever, whereas the 
problems with this assumption are well known.  For starters, on UNIX-based 
systems, newlines are typically represented by a bare LF character, whereas on 
DOS-based systems, newlines are typically represented by a CRLF pair.  In 
transmission, many systems, including mail agents tend to convert newlines to 
the system's normal format.  This would break these JOSE objects.

Some agents wrap lines after a certain length.  Particularly when being 
transmitted in HTML or XML, many systems replace two or more consecutive spaces 
with a single space.  Others replace two or more spaces with a single space and 
N-1 non-breaking space characters.  I could go on...

I appreciate the attempt to make things appear to be more uniform and readable, 
but the CRLF/LF problems alone are enough to make this a non-starter.

                                                                Best wishes,
                                                                -- Mike

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard 
Barnes
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:29 AM
To: Jim Schaad
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jose] Possible change to protected field

This sounds like a fine idea to me.  It saves space and makes the JSON format 
more human-readable.  It actually makes kind of a nice analogy to ASN.1, namely 
use of OCTET STRING to encapsulate more DER content.

The compact serialization can continue to base64url-encode that field, so it 
would not be a breaking change for that serialization.

--Richard

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Jim Schaad 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
<no hat>

I am trying to figure out if I am missing something.  This is not yet a formal 
proposal to actual change the document.

I was thinking about proposing that we make a change to the content of the 
protected field in the JWS JSON serialization format.  If we encoded this as a 
UTF8 string rather than the base64url encoded UTF8 string, then the content 
would be smaller.  The computation of the signature would be unchanged in that 
it would still be computed over the base64url encoded string.  I believe that 
the conversion from the UTF8 string to the base64url encoded UTF8 string is a 
deterministic encoding and thus would not generate any problems from that point.

At this point I and trying to figure out if I missed anything that would 
preclude this from working.  I am not worried about how hard or easy it would 
be to do, just if it is even possible.

Jim


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