David,

David Murn wrote:
This is a scary thought.  Does this mean the Bing licence has the same
catch as the odbl licence, where 'we may change to any other licence in
the future'?  Is there any hope of the licence being decided upon and
not being changed in the future?

Certainly yes and certainly no.

First, you cannot change the license in retrospect. So if they allow us to trace the data and contribute it to OSM now under certain terms, they cannot change their mind and have us remove the stuff later.

Second, of course they can terminate the agreement at any time (and replace it with something new). From that point on you would not be allowed to trace using the old terms but of course anything already traced under the old terms would remain. So yes, of course "they may change to any other licnese in the future".

Should we wait until that stage, to
ensure they dont screw us over, and once a big portion of map data is
bing-derived, claim they own all derived works for themselves, which as
its all tagged as coming from bing, they'd be legally entitled to do
so.

I think we've learned our lesson from the past. We will only accept data sources that are compatible with our contributor terms, ensuring that data once contributed remains in OSM, no matter what we (or the data provider) do.

It does sort of surprise me that licences can be drawn up for Bing in a
matter of days (over a holiday weekend), but the odbl and CTs still
cant reach agreement after (apparently) how many years since they were
introduced.  It shows that if you really want things to happen, they
can.

There are too many differences between both situations to enumerate here.

Bye
Frederik

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