>
> Has there been any thought, discussion, or interest in providing
> jQuery as a backend, or being able to provide another library as
> another API to jQuery.


Sizzle might be of interest to you, although it is *just* a selector
engine..


>
>
> jQuery is quite mature (even though a bug I couldn't track down forced
> us to discard use of it at work),


I'm sure there are people here/[email protected] or in the irc channel
that would be willing to help!


>
>
> Beyond rolling a library as a modified API using jQuery as a backend
> does have potential use elsewhere. One of the special things about the
> system I have at work is that the JavaScript framework being used
> (since it's part of the system) can do nice things like taking a
> Widget object as input, and knowing how to handle the actual nodes
> it's associated with.


Dojo does have this sort of feature set.. however dojo is not 'light'


>
>
> If you were wondering what irked me a bit, it was primarily show/hide.
> $('#foo').hide(); does have the connotation of hiding something.
> However it always annoyed me how 'hide' was actually a very specific
> "scale diagonally to the upper left, and disappear". Rather than a
> simple 'hide me' like it implies.


> And for just sliding something closed, $('#foo').slideUp(); is used,
> even though 'slideUp' is basically a type of 'hide' with a different
> animation. While over on the other hand to actually 'hide' something
> without animation (I have had to do this many a time) I have to
> verbosely type in $('#foo').css('display', 'none');


Stolen from : http://jqueryjs.googlecode.com/files/jquery-1.3.js

hide: function(speed,callback){
        if ( speed ) {
            return this.animate( genFx("hide", 3), speed, callback);
        } else {
            for ( var i = 0, l = this.length; i < l; i++ ){
                var old = jQuery.data(this[i], "olddisplay");
                if ( !old && old !== "none" )
                    jQuery.data(this[i], "olddisplay", jQuery.css(this[i],
"display"));
                this[i].style.display = "none";
            }
            return this;
        }
    },


>
>
> It honestly makes much more sense to me if:
> $('#foo').hide(); just set display: none;
> animating something to slide shut was $('#foo').hide
> ({animate:'slideup'});
> and if you actually wanted .hide() to animate you would tell it to
> have a default:
> $.defaults.hide.animate = 'slideup';
>

stolen shamelessly from : http://docs.jquery.com/Effects/animate#examples

$("p").animate({
      "height": "toggle", "opacity": "toggle"
    }, "slow");

This could actually be wrapped with a plugin if it made you happy.

$.fn.hideSlide = function(speed)
{
    return $(this).each(function()
    {
         $(this).animate(
         {
             "height": "toggle", "opacity": "toggle"
         }, "slow");
    });
}

(thank you firebug!)


> Basically the thought I've had is. "Keeping code short and sweet is
> nice, but only if you do it without losing information. Sometimes you
> go to far in shortening the size of code, and end up losing
> information that makes it readable."
> Along with that 'toggle' irks me as well. For the very well integrated
> jQuery user, "Huh, 'toggle', that just flips my visibility.", but for
> anyone that is just looking at the code "Toggle? What does it
> toggle?"


reading the documentation suggests : http://docs.jquery.com/Effects/toggle

"Toggle displaying each of the set of matched elements."

I don't know how one would properly use anything without reading the
documentation!


> . Toggle could flip a checkbox, it could show or hide
> something, if it shows or hides something then how does it do it? does
> it slide, does it fade, or does it just disappear?
> Honestly toggleVisibility working like the .hide I mentioned above
> makes more sense to me.


$.fn.toggleVisibility = function ()
{
   return $(this).each(function()
   {
         $(this).toggle();
   };
}


I hope this helps!

-- Elijah

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