Thanks, Steve. Appreciate the compliment and advice.

I do see a need for it, which is why I did it. Let's just hope the
people who do have a say also see a need for it. Something like this
is hard to have as 'just a plugin' because if it is ever used for
general purpose plugin authoring, then it becomes a dependency, sort
of like the Dimensions plugin.

Personally, I will never go back to the old way of writing plugins.
Not because I wrote it (I'm not that stubborn ;) ), but because
writing a plugin with an api of more than one method, either clutters
the jQuery namespace, or becomes awkward to use. I just don't agree
with passing a string argument as the first argument to the plugin-
name. But I digress...

Cheers,
Trey



On Mar 30, 4:27 pm, Steven Black <[email protected]> wrote:
> You know, Trey, this jQuery plugin facade idea is very interesting and
> I'm a little disappointed that it hasn't generated more discussion.
>
> That said, sometimes the greatest plugins suddenly appear from
> nowhere, arriving in a nearly finished state.  Pausing to float the
> idea can kill momentum sometimes.
>
> My advice: "run with it".  Just because others don't see it, or gloam
> onto it, shouldn't be cause for pause.  Genius is all about hitting
> targets that others can't see.
>
> I think you're onto something.  At minimum, it's apparently a very
> straightforward way to create jQuery-chainable functions.  Looking
> past that, maybe this could be used to decorate existing plugins?
> Maybe something along the lines of the (brilliant) jQuery-aop plugin
> but with more straightforward access?  I'm guessing.
>
> Run with it.
>
> **--**  Steve
>
> On Mar 29, 7:23 pm, tres <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Nice one.
>
> > I think that would be good functionality to have. Feel free to mess
> > with the source. If I get time I'll implement something and let you
> > know.
>
> > Feel free to contact me via email.
>
> > -Trey
>
> > On Mar 28, 1:45 pm, Daniel Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Bleh, I never noticed this one.
>
> > > The __load is actually there pretty much for completeness just to make
> > > coding of plugins complete when we have __unload. Quite frankly __load
> > > would probably be run right after you run addPlugin in your plugin's js.
> > > The __unload would be run if someone decided to run
> > > .removePlugin('yourName');
>
> > > If really wanted we could actually set things up so you could unload a
> > > plugin and reload it without running the actual plugin code.
>
> > > ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire)
>
> > > tres wrote:
> > > > I like where you are going with that. Please elaborate a bit on your
> > > > idea of what would constitute loading and unloading.
>
> > > > Mike, where you been?
>
> > > > -Trey
>
> > > > On Mar 12, 9:11 am, Daniel Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> After a bit of thought I just thought about one.
> > > >> A __load and __unload for when the plugin is loaded and unloaded. This
> > > >> will allow for the plugin to do extension type stuff and be able to 
> > > >> unload.
>
> > > >> Assuming jQuery.css.addHook and jQuery.css.removeHook for adding and
> > > >> removing css hooks (an extensibility feature that ideally will get into
> > > >> jQuery after John does his $.attr and $.curCSS refactor)
>
> > > >> (function(jQuery) {
>
> > > >> function cssCallback(elem, name, value, force) {
> > > >>   ...
>
> > > >> }
>
> > > >> jQuery.addPlugin('obscureCompat', {
> > > >>   __load: function() {
> > > >>     jQuery.css.addHook(cssCallback);
> > > >>   },
> > > >>   __unload: function() {
> > > >>     jQuery.css.removeHook(cssCallback);
> > > >>   }
>
> > > >> });
> > > >> })(jQuery);
>
> > > >> ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire)
>
> > > >> tres wrote:
>
> > > >>> Thanks for the feedback, Daniel.
>
> > > >>> I see what you mean about jQuery.options instead of jQuery.fn.options.
> > > >>> My reasoning for this, though, is by putting it on .fn you can assign
> > > >>> different options to different elements instead of setting it globally
> > > >>> for the plugin. This way options are persistent and can be changed on
> > > >>> the fly.
>
> > > >>> I did think about giving the ability to assign a plugin to jQuery and
> > > >>> not just jQuery.fn, but couldn't find a very graceful way to implement
> > > >>> it as I just wanted to get the .fn working first. Could add a third,
> > > >>> boolean, argument called addToFn and default it to true since it is
> > > >>> the most likely case.
>
> > > >>> "Magic" methods can also be supported. Say you want to execute a
> > > >>> function when the object is constructed, or when the options are
> > > >>> changed. This isn't currently documented, but '__construct' works,and
> > > >>> others would be fairly easy to implement.
>
> > > >>> Another idea would be to have an argument in jQuery.addPlugin to pass
> > > >>> in an object of default options which would automatically apply
> > > >>> options to the passed objects using jQuery.fn.options.
>
> > > >>> That said, I'm trying to keep a good balance of simplicity and
> > > >>> extensibility, so more features isn't necessarily the right answer.
>
> > > >>> Anybody have anymore ideas or want to collaborate?
>
> > > >>> Thanks,
> > > >>> -Trey
>
> > > >>> On Mar 5, 1:34 pm, Daniel Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >>>> I think it could do with the ability to handle methods on jQuery 
> > > >>>> itself
> > > >>>> instead of being limited to just jQuery.fn, perhaps a second
> > > >>>> object/function to addPlugin;
>
> > > >>>> Likewise I'd prefer jQuery.options over jQuery.fn.options;
>
> > > >>>> ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) 
> > > >>>> [http://nadir-seen-fire.com]
> > > >>>> -Nadir-Point & Wiki-Tools (http://nadir-point.com) 
> > > >>>> (http://wiki-tools.com)
> > > >>>> -MonkeyScript (http://monkeyscript.org)
> > > >>>> -Animepedia (http://anime.wikia.com)
> > > >>>> -Narutopedia (http://naruto.wikia.com)
> > > >>>> -Soul Eater Wiki (http://souleater.wikia.com)
>
> > > >>>> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > >>>>> There has been a lot of activity about plugin authoring and how it 
> > > >>>>> can
> > > >>>>> be more structured and extensible. I've posted a couple of comments 
> > > >>>>> on
> > > >>>>> some threads and sent an email to John, but I thought I'd create a 
> > > >>>>> new
> > > >>>>> thread since I haven't had any feedback yet. John, I understand you
> > > >>>>> probably get a lot of email and are very busy.
>
> > > >>>>> I've written a plugin that I'd like to get feedback on from you 
> > > >>>>> guys.
> > > >>>>> It's still evolving, but should be stable in what it currently is
> > > >>>>> designed to do and I have found it invaluable when authoring larger,
> > > >>>>> more advanced plugins. It would be nice to see similar functionality
> > > >>>>> built into jQuery as I think others would also find it useful.
>
> > > >>>>> Link:http://plugins.jquery.com/project/plugin-authoring
>
> > > >>>>> Cheers,
> > > >>>>> Trey
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