for this form <form name="f1" method="get" action="/search" id="searchform" > <input type="text" name="q" value="Search...." size="70" /> <input type="submit" value="Search" /> </form>
why $("#searchform input")[0] is different than $("#searchform input:first") I can get values for $("#searchform input")[0].defaultValue or .value but not with .fadeIn() or val() while the reverse for the $ ("#searchform input:first")