Celeste,
Microsoft has a stress test tool that you can download for free.  See the following KB 
article:

http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=21951&Method=Full

Ted Zimmerman

-----Original Message-----
From: Haseltine, Celeste [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 4:15 PM
To: JRun-Talk
Subject: RE: load testing (was RE: Difficult To Reproduce Session Issue)


Charlie, 

I would love to use some load testing tools, and I have gone to the mat with
both the owner and my boss (the VP) to try and purchase some.  But you have
to keep in mind that most companies are really on tight budgets right now,
and some smaller IT groups such as this one are having to make do with
either free testing tools/shareware that is out on the internet, or open
source tools via Sun/Jakarta.  The company I am currently working with is a
small manufacturer, who has a very narrow profit margin on the products he
produces.  He is in a niche market, but because he has such a narrow profit
margin, and because the owner is close to retirement (he is 60), he is
extremely reluctant to spend any money.  In fact, the only reason he hired
me was that some of his biggest clients told him that if he did not
institute a web ordering system, they would consider taking their business
to his competition.  Even though the owner really dislikes computers, the
threat by his larger clients caught his attention and he is now being
"forced" into the "web age" kicking and screaming all the way.  

Bottom line, both he and the VP say they want to take their chances on when
the site would go down and under what load conditions.  I've tried to
convince them that when your revenue is being generated via a web site, this
is NOT the way you want to find coding errors and/or other problems, but I
have not been successful in that endeavor yet.  They feel that most of their
customers will not actually use the site, and they do not intend to
advertise it's existing in order to keep the traffic down.  The concept that
someone might just "spam" their site for the hell of it, and cause the site
to crash, doesn't concern at this time.

If you do find other freebie testing tools, I would be interested in the
names/links.

Celeste

 

-----Original Message-----
From: charles arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:53 PM
To: JRun-Talk
Subject: load testing (was RE: Difficult To Reproduce Session Issue)


Celeste, you say:

> We haven't seen this problem, not yet anyway.  But our servers
> are not under
> much of a load yet, as our site is just getting off the ground.  We expect
> that to change over the next three to four months.  If we do run into the
> same problem, I suspect that will be the final straw for the owner of this
> facility, and he too will decide to go with another JSP/Servlet
> server.

I'm curious if you're considering load testing before just waiting to see
what happens. Indeed, I'd like to open this discussion to a broader one of
whether people do use load testing tools, especially if they do anticipate a
growth in load. Or is the feeling that they're too expensive or cumbersome.

Perhaps people can share their experiences with any load testing tools,
indicating as well if the relative costs and challenges in using them.
Perhaps they can also clarify their own load requirements: clearly someone
with a commercial, clustered site with hundreds of thousands of hits per day
will have different needs (and preferences) over someone with a smaller
organization (or intranet) site getting hundreds of hits per day.

Still, for issues like this one being discussed, just simulating many per
second in a load testing tool could identify a problem that might otherwise
not crop up until later. As Celeste says, better to know about it sooner
than later. A testing tool seems of more value to people than they seem to
give it credit.

What are the facets that stop people from using them? Cost? Complexity? Lack
of awareness? Choosing among many alternatives? Hopefully this thread will
at least help us on the list get a better idea of what options make sense
for our varying needs, and we can pass along our discoveries to others, and
so on.

/charlie



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