I would (did) take WAST over any of those tools (except OpenSTA because I've never 
used it).  I don't know about OpenSTA, but LoadRunner, SilkPerformer and Empirix are 
all pretty beastly in comparison.  Empirix requires too many machines to simulate a 
heavy client load.  They are huge, expensive, and complicated.  There are certainly 
some interesting things they can do (mostly nice-to-have features, like fancy reports 
or CORBA and EJB client support) that WAST can't, but a complete COM API, full control 
of headers, ports, remote clients, item grouping and weighting, storage of results in 
an Access d.b. with sensible table names, and the price make WAST unbeatable for 
flexibility and unrestricted deployment (except all your clients have to be Win32).  
Like I said, there's also Apache 
JMeter, which is also free and seems to be getting a lot more use judging from their 
mailing list.

I don't know anything about the mailing list's properties.  It's maintained by Mike 
Dinowotz at http://www.houseoffusion.com

Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From: charles arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> You raise good points, Scott. Certainly, to test a site 
> inside a firewall,
> you'll need to install some software. But if that's not a 
> concern, and if
> you want to avoid installing (and learning) some software, this hosted
> solution is still a worthwhile alternative. It's dead easy. 
> And even for
> just 5 users, it could be useful as Chris noted.
> 
> I previously installed by WAST and OpenSTA (as well as 
> Empirix E-test Suite,
> Mercury Interactive's Astra QuickTest, and Parasoft WebKing). 
> And I found
> they all had complications that kept me from using them on an 
> ongoing basis.
> 
> I'm just raising this as an alternative for any who may have 
> been through
> the same process.
> 
> /charlie
> 
> PS Do you know, Scott, why a reply to your note would be 
> setup to go just to
> you and not to the list? I almost didn't catch that. I've not 
> noticed that
> happen with any other notes on the list, even several 
> received today. Just
> curious. :-)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Stirling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 7:34 AM
> > To: 'charles arehart '; 'JRun-Talk '
> > Subject: RE: load testing (was RE: Difficult To Reproduce 
> Session Issue)
> >
> >
> > Most people have their development/staging networks are behind
> > firewalls and this outside load test won't be allowed through.
> > So downloading it will most likely be their only option.
> >
> > Just to reiterate, Microsoft Web App Stress Tool (revamped,
> > called ACT, and shipped commercially in VStudio .NET
> > Enterprise/Architect) is free, easy to use, and you can easily
> > get it up and running in minutes and hammer the crap out of your
> > site with 100 or 200 virtual users or however many you want.
> >
> > http://webtool.rte.microsoft.com
> >
> > Scott Stirling
> > JRun QA
> > Macromedia
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