Also Andy, don't get too caught up in the numbers, that comes later, learn
how to get the sound you like then worry about the maths of it all, As
Chriss says just experiment with a full range sound like a complete mix and
pull different frequencies in and out, you'll hear the difference and then
next time when you've a mix problem you'll have the beginnings of the anser
before you touch a thing.
with sonar, import some auido in to a track, then open up your track eq,
then say set the db amout to something quite high say plus 12 or minus 12
then move the frequency around you'll soon hear what's going on.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Belle" <[email protected]>
To: "JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Jsonar] How to tell what frequency range on a band audio is
in.
No Andy, it's called ability, training and talent 'grin'.
Just like people can see colors and differences, ;your ear can hear
different frequencies, or some folks can.
If you have any ability there, you can train ;your ears by practice to
hear them.
Working with a parametric and or graphic eq, you can find offending
frequencies and taylor them to fit better, or enhance others to be more
prominent, etc.
This is what an engineer does, and your exactly right, making instruments
and vocals sit in a mix with proper eq is one of the very fundamentals of
getting a great sound.
I'll give you a hint.
Equalizers work better on cut than boost, that is they are better at
pulling out too much of a bad frequency than they are at boosting not
enough of frequencies you want.
so when you are first using an eq, you should do as much as you can to
eliminate the bad stuff.
Try first with a simple tool like a 10 band graphic, rather than a
parametric, parametrics can be tricky, and are more advanced,
but take a broad band signal like a full mix or even just a vocal and pull
down different bands, and see what effect it has on them.
here are more hints, and we'll ;use a vocal for an example because it's
one of the most troublesome things to eq right.
Most anything below 100 hertz on a vocal won't be heard, maybe some subtle
harmonic re-enforcement but that's all, and probably a lot of noise down
there, depending on your gear and room.
From 100 to 350 are your low mids, the warmth in your vocal,
but can also be where the mud is, so cutting this down can make your vocal
stand out more, from 500 to 2k is the mid band, that's your telephone
effect, but also some of your mid band clarity, and needs special
attention.
From 3k to 6 k is your vocal definition and clarity, but can also make it
harsh,
and also have some sibalance s sounds, especially around the 6k range, so
using a d s compressor can help a lot, I like a bright vocal to stand out
in a mix, but then when i get it bright enough, i get too much sibalance,
so the d s procesing fixes it.
An;ything above 8k is what we call air, or high shimmer, and can make a
vocal sound bigger and more full, open, but can also add hiss, and also in
the lower range of the 8 to 10k is also where some s sibalance lives too,
so care must be taken.
A basic 10 band graphic eq will give you a basic handle on these
frequencies and what they do, then ;you can get in to the wonder full
world of parametric eq and deal with q or width, shelves, peak dip or band
pass, and high pass and low pass and all those goodies, you
really get to do microscopic surgery then 'grin'.
I of course am available for low priced friendly tutoring any time,
I'm jus the guy for good value for not so deep pockets, and nothing beats
years of experience and lots of great mixes under the belt.
At 03:59 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:
Hi.
I am reading a book that mentions that different types of audio, mainly
musical instruments and vocals sit in a particular frequency range on an
eq band. My question is: How do you tell what the actual frequency range
of an audio clip is in? I.E. I drop an audio clip/track into Sonar
(8.5.3). Now, before I change the frequency ranges on it, how can I tell
what its actual range happens to be? Or is this just some guesswork?
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