Why are we fighting like this over 2 bands of eq? Sounds really goofy. ----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Belle Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 1:13 AM To: [email protected]; JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list Subject: Re: [Jsonar] How to tell what frequency range on a band audio is in.
Ok, now that I've had a belly full of the crap, let's just put things in perspective and lay them out on the table. The real deal is that you just can't stand anyone having a diferent idea about how to do things than you, I've seen it displayed even with very gentle knowledgeable people, who never go toe to toe with anyone, ain't mentioning any naimes, but I will say he's a cubass user and uses another screen-reader than the all glorious holy jaws 'grin'. You love to discredit me because you just can't stand it that I charge half or less than you do, and give better value, and I've stolen some of your students. Competition buddy, i even put out friendly feelers to work with you even giving you my first version of session drummer 3 but all I got from you was, oh, it's junk, I can do a better job of it. Well, mister know it all, that prompted me to make it better and put it out myself, but thanks to people like Roy, and Tom Kingston, and folks who aren't threatened by a little competition, and who can work with o9thers doing the same thing they are sometimes it turned out just fine. I was even goin to split proffits with you, but no, you couldn't be bothered. Despite the brush-off, you still get free rain to advertise, and share special stuff on my private list, and to your credit, at least there, you don't act llike such an know it all, probably because you know the biggest brains are watching, I'm priveleged to have some such on the list. But you need to quit it, whether you like it or not, there are other ways of doing things, even with sonar, and some of them may work better for some people than your sanctioned way, for instances, trashing the idea, yes you did, of using more than one bus to get extra eq, well, if we weren't supposed to use eq in this manner, why is it there? yes, you can turn on automation and record your moves, but why not do precission snapshots, and why not put strategic eq in specific places where it is needed, maybe behind a d s bus to help the d s processing. And the ability to move it anywhere in the chain. Bet you never thought of that, you just told me it was a wrong thing to do. Well, tell it to cakewalk sonar, they invented it, and it's even mentioned in the help that the inspector pane is a useful thing, even sighted people do things this way buddy. so you loose 2 bands of eq, but you don't really because you can always open up the plug-in, or use another bus, how ever suits you best. So talk about mis-leading peiple, m;y way of doing things is accessible to all screen readers too, and hnot just your precious hsc files, which don't work some of the time anyway, and yes, they have errors in them too. So just admit, you can't stand any competition, and you have it easy, because your little sighted wife shows you everything going on on the screen, I don't begrudge you that, but I bet you couldn't get as far without your built in eyes as some of us have by ourselves. Not that that's a big deal, but it's worth mentioning when you feel it necessary to pull others down to make yourself look better. I think that's even been said to you on list by someone, even recently, it might have been by the same friendly humble non-offensive cubass user I have never but lifted you up and even encouraged people to use you for tutoring when I couldn't do it,k or even if i thought you might be better at something, for instance, with hsc, you are undisputedly the king. But you are so insecure, you have to slam me publically, and can not pay equal respect. Well, not supprisingly when the going got tough you couldn't even stand up for your own faith, choosing to be politically correct instead of just correct. Most on here won't know what I'm talking about, but you sure will Philly boy. So whether I get kicked off her for calling you out or now, I'm not putting up with it anymore,\ if you think I'm not right, and really not right, yes, i can accept correction, and I'll be the first to say, hey, my bad, I said something wrong. But this was just plane lame, and just flinging a pile of crap there was nothing technically wrong in what I stated. Because setting your options to open a plug-in and or manually insertintg it amounts to just about the same thing, in the inspector pane you get 4 and in the plug-in you get 6, and that was my point. So in an edited version of my little brother Damon's famous nhb radio salutation, f you, f you, and f you again. Thank you for the in put of your giant brain. No body knows as much as the great mighty Muure. At 02:34 PM 7/10/2010, you wrote: >Chris Bell wrote: When you open up the eq in the inspector pane, you >get 4 bands of parametric eq, but when you insert it as a plug-in you >get 6 bands of parametric. > >Phil replied: not true. In both instances you get 6 bands of EQ. >However, if you use the EQ in the track inspector in the track/bus view >then, you can only see 4 bands of the EQ in the track inspector as only >4 of them are automatable. In other words, only controls that are >automatable are shown in the track inspector. You can still get at all >6 bands of EQ in the Track/Bus EQ dialog boxes though with >HotSpotClicker. Chris, me thinks you may wish to take a little more >time out to study Sonar's architecture before posting inaccurate stuff >like this, especially if you're teaching students. > >Regards, Phil Muir >Accessibility Training >Telephone: US (615) 713-2021 >UK +44-1747-821-794 >Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246 >E-mail: >[email protected] ><mailto:[email protected]> >URL: >http://www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/ >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >Of Chris Belle >Sent: 10 July 2010 15:04 >To: JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list >Subject: Re: [Jsonar] How to tell what frequency range on a band audio is >in. > >They are actually the same. > >When you open up the eq in the inspector pane, you get 4 bands of >parametric eq, but when you insert it as a plug-in you get 6 bands of >parametric. > >But you need to use hotspot clicker, or my auto-hot scripts or ct to >access the plug-in directly. > >You can actually see the numbers in there with your mouse cursor, but >unless you know what goes with what, it's confusing. > >with a parametric you have gain cut, filter type, cue or width, and >frequency to play with, a lot more complicated than a graphic, I always >try to have people start out with a graphic to get started much simpler >to get your head around. > > >eAt 05:46 AM 7/10/2010, you wrote: > >Would you use the track eq or use sonitus eq? > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > >Behalf Of joe > >Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:10 AM > >To: JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list > >Subject: Re: [Jsonar] How to tell what frequency range on a band > >audio is in. > > > > > >Also Andy, don't get too caught up in the numbers, that comes later, > >learn how to get the sound you like then worry about the maths of it > >all, As Chriss says just experiment with a full range sound like a > >complete mix and pull different frequencies in and out, you'll hear > >the difference and then next time when you've a mix problem you'll > >have the beginnings of the anser before you touch a thing. with > >sonar, import some auido in to a track, then open up your track eq, > >then say set the db amout to something quite high say plus 12 or > >minus 12 then move the frequency around you'll soon hear what's going > >on. Joe > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Chris Belle" <[email protected]> > >To: "JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list" <[email protected]> > >Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:01 AM > >Subject: Re: [Jsonar] How to tell what frequency range on a band > >audio is in. > > > > > > > No Andy, it's called ability, training and talent 'grin'. > > > > > > Just like people can see colors and differences, ;your ear can > > > hear different frequencies, or some folks can. > > > > > > If you have any ability there, you can train ;your ears by > > > practice to hear them. > > > > > > Working with a parametric and or graphic eq, you can find > > > offending frequencies and taylor them to fit better, or enhance > > > others to be more prominent, etc. > > > > > > This is what an engineer does, and your exactly right, making > > > instruments and vocals sit in a mix with proper eq is one of the > > > very fundamentals of getting a great sound. > > > > > > I'll give you a hint. > > > > > > Equalizers work better on cut than boost, that is they are better > > > at pulling out too much of a bad frequency than they are at > > > boosting not enough of frequencies you want. > > > > > > so when you are first using an eq, you should do as much as you > > > can to eliminate the bad stuff. > > > > > > Try first with a simple tool like a 10 band graphic, rather than a > > > parametric, parametrics can be tricky, and are more advanced, but > > > take a broad band signal like a full mix or even just a vocal and > > > pull > > > > > down different bands, and see what effect it has on them. > > > > > > here are more hints, and we'll ;use a vocal for an example because > > > it's one of the most troublesome things to eq right. > > > > > > Most anything below 100 hertz on a vocal won't be heard, maybe > > > some subtle harmonic re-enforcement but that's all, and probably a > > > lot of noise down there, depending on your gear and room. > > > > > > From 100 to 350 are your low mids, the warmth in your vocal, but > > > can also be where the mud is, so cutting this down can make your > > > vocal stand out more, from 500 to 2k is the mid band, that's your > > > telephone effect, but also some of your mid band clarity, and > > > needs special attention. > > > > > > From 3k to 6 k is your vocal definition and clarity, but can also > > > make it harsh, and also have some sibalance s sounds, especially > > > around the 6k range, so using a d s compressor can help a lot, I > > > like a bright vocal to stand out in a mix, but then when i get it > > > bright enough, i get too much sibalance, so the d s procesing > > > fixes it. > > > > > > An;ything above 8k is what we call air, or high shimmer, and can > > > make a vocal sound bigger and more full, open, but can also add > > > hiss, and also in > > > > > the lower range of the 8 to 10k is also where some s sibalance > > > lives too, so care must be taken. > > > > > > A basic 10 band graphic eq will give you a basic handle on these > > > frequencies and what they do, then ;you can get in to the wonder > > > full world of parametric eq and deal with q or width, shelves, > > > peak dip or band > > > > > pass, and high pass and low pass and all those goodies, you > > > really get to do microscopic surgery then 'grin'. > > > > > > I of course am available for low priced friendly tutoring any > > > time, I'm jus the guy for good value for not so deep pockets, and > > > nothing beats years of experience and lots of great mixes under > > > the belt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 03:59 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: > > >>Hi. > > >> > > >>I am reading a book that mentions that different types of audio, > > >>mainly musical instruments and vocals sit in a particular > > >>frequency range on an eq band. My question is: How do you tell > > >>what the actual frequency range of an audio clip is in? I.E. I > > >>drop an audio clip/track into Sonar (8.5.3). Now, before I change > > >>the frequency ranges on it, how can I tell what its actual range > > >>happens to be? 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