I've been following this thread about non-java scripting languages for JSP, and since
you mentioned Perl, I thought this would be a good place to jump in. Up until two
months ago, Perl was my favored development environment for the web. Every company that
has employed me over the last 4 years to do web work (about 30 clients) has ended up
using Perl based on my recommendation, and has been very happy with the results. But I
have to say, that since working in JSP, I have since changed my mind. About two months
ago, my current employer (Val-Pak, the blue envelopes with coupons, www.valpak.com,
www.valpak.net) asked me what my preferred environment would be (it was time for an
upgrade). Before answering I investigated every reasonable possibility (Perl, PHP,
Oracle procedures, Informix web dev, Java servlets, Cold Fusion, ASP, etc) and bumped
into JSP. After spending just a few short hours with JSP, I quickly saw the benefits
and teamed up with one of the Java developers here to write up reasons why we should go
with it. To make a long story a little shorter, we have purchased New Atlanta's JSP
server, and are rewriting everything in JSP. Our extranets for 300 franchises, 500+
users, our Intranet for thousands of employees, and eventually all of our other web
sites. Everyone here is excited about the possibilities, from Java programmers to those
who don't know any Java. New Atlanta has been running for 6 weeks now without even one
problem. Programming in JSP has turned out to be as easy as Perl, yet all our tests
show it to be 10x faster.
We now have a department policy that ALL development be done in JSP (Java) and in
nothing else (Perl or whatever). This means that in the future we only have to hire
Java programmers and only need to support one environment. This makes my job a lot
easier, and I don't have to keep thinking, now in Perl is it "elseif" or "elsif".
Personally, I hope no other language support is placed in JSP. I want to be able to
look in a JSP page and understand all the code without having to learn other languages
or remember other languages. I have experience with Cold Fusion (a little), ASP (quite
a bit), Perl (extensively) and have found JSP to outdo them all in easy of programming,
flexibility, extensibility and more. Every time we need to write some application, we
have been able to find a Java class to help.
Sorry this email is so long, but I look forward to any comments. Also, my JSP site and
HomeSite JSP Color Coding scheme can be found at http://www.burridge.net/jsp. I have
also been contacted by Allaire, and HomeSite 4.01 will be released with my JSP color
coding in it.
Brian N. Burridge
Web Specialist
Val-Pak
Archie Russell wrote:
> I personally love perl. It's really easy to do a lot of things in perl
> (though it obviously can't do everything well) and would like to see it
> in JSP. Granted, it is *J*sp...
>
> On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Nic Wise wrote:
>
> > > What do you guys think about the long-term importance of non-Java languages for
> > > JSP?
> >
> > Indifferent, to be honest. The reason I use JSP is because of Java. If
> > wanted Basic or JavaScript, I'd use ASP. Probably.
> >
> > It _is_ a good idea to support other languages - even if its never used,
> > its a handy thing to have available, but I think in the long run, its
> > not the point of JSP - JSP is designed as JAVA Server Pages, not as
> > "Any-language Server Pages" (oops :) ).
> >
> > The main advantage of JSP, to me anyway, is that I can do almost
> > everything I could in ASP (I have 1.5 years of ASP under my belt, and <
> > 1.5 months of JSP), but have the end result compiled (atleast to
> > bytecode), fast, and with the cool language 'extensions' (eg, exception
> > handling etc) that VBScript and JScript just dont do - and are unlikely
> > to do until at the earliest v5 (IIS5).
> >
> > Other than that, the way I program the pages etc is pretty much
> > unchanged. Just I get to use JBuilder+CORBA, rather than VB6 and COM
> > (YUCK! - I was at an MSP, so sue me!). Nice to have a development system
> > that doesn't die on me every 10 mins or so.
> >
> > Just my 2c.
> >
> > Nic.
> >
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