Hi Dan,

Dan says...
> is a much better architecture.

I think so too.

> SUN decided to not explicitly describe past the 0.92 spec

I don't know if the original JSP 1.0 spec didn't talk much about it (I
suspect it did not), but I added an explicit section about this in JSP
1.1 because it is such a useful architecture.  See Section 1.6.5 and
1.6.6 in pages 32 and 33.

Also see slide 31 (or so) in the WebLayer talk that we posted recently
(http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/pdf/talks/WebLayer.pdf) and in the
TagLib talk (close by).

> Trying to do everything in JSPs is certainly not a good idea

JSP is a language, and it is possible to use it in different ways.  It
is possible to use it to implement a front component (/conversation
control/whatever it was called in Model 2, I forget), and that is what
the APM team did.  My initial personal inclination would have been to
write this component as a servlet that is reading some XML description
of the conversation, but their approach is not unreasonable and worth
exploring to understand what can be done with the JSP language.  I think
the APM team is revisiting their structure to incorporate what they have
learned and to exploit better tag libraries, I do not know what will
they do with their conversation control.

> But IMO, whether you use a template language or
> Java like syntax for the dynamic aspects of a web page, I don't see much
> difference.  So go with what suits you, but don't knock JSPs for such a
> reason.

I fully agree.

Hope this helps,
        - eduard/o

> Date:    Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:17:00 -0800
> From:    "Kirkdorffer, Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: New Servlets.com article: Reactions to "The Problems with JSP "
>
...
>
> Trying to do everything in JSPs is certainly not a good idea, and the "model
> 2" approach SUN decided to not explicitly describe past the 0.92 spec, is a
> much better architecture.  But IMO, whether you use a template language or
> Java like syntax for the dynamic aspects of a web page, I don't see much
> difference.  So go with what suits you, but don't knock JSPs for such a
> reason.

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