JSP is a good and solid technology. The problem,is not with JSP, but in
expectations of what JSP can do.
People expect JSP to be simple. Well, thats a relative term. It is simple
compared to full blown java development or Servlets. But it's still Java and
there still is a learning curve that must be respected.
JSP is still new. JSP is still being improved and the tools to support it
are still maturing. We will continue to see things to be slightly confusing
until we get solid IDE's and simple to install Containers.
The amount of new people to established people is still heavlily skewed
towards new programmers. Until a solid base of experience programmers exist,
alot of confusion will exist as we shake out our collective learning curve.
JSP is caught between two worlds. The hard core Java developers who think it
should be more (But instead think of it as an asp version of watered down
Servlets), and the new developers who think it should be easier. The truth
of JSP is in the middle.
People think JSP should be as easy as ASP. ASP is much more out of the box
solution, so our expectations of JSP are that JSP should be as easy as ASP.
In a year this will be the case, but (see above) we are still in the shake
down phase of getting everything in place.
So I say, JSP is a good solution, but time and patience must be used to
temper your views on JSP, as its still in its child state as programming
languages /development solutions go. Its a tool and with any tool you need
to use it right, the problem with JSP is it looks too much like other tools
and so people confuse how it should really be used. A year from now, there
will be enough experience and JSP as a tool will stand out in its own right.
Casey Kochmer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.jspinsider.com
>From: blackmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and
> reference <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: your opinions about servlets + JSP, Brazil,
>WebMacro and other co mpeting technologies
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:45:26 -0400
>
>Having tested JRun, JServer and Tomcat with Apache I would hesitate to say
>JSP is
>'mature'. There are no third party books on any of these tools.
>Configuring Tomcat and
>JServe is anything but straightforward based on the documentation provided.
>
>As you can see by the questions to the various newsgroups regarding JSP
>development, there are many unanswered questions in every aspect of using
>these tools. I'd prefer to wait
>a year before using these tools but unfortunately I don't have that option.
>
>Bill Blackmon - Technologist
>Razorfish, NY
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>212-798-7024
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Petr Jiricka
>Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 10:28 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: your opinions about servlets + JSP, Brazil, WebMacro and other
>co mpeting technologies
>
>
>Hello,
>
>I would like to ask everyone a rather general question on web application
>development: how do you feel about the contemporary Java-based technologies
>for web application development ? There used to be scores of "template
>solutions" (I wrote one, too) before JSP bacame the de facto standard for
>Java-based web app development. JSP seems to have unified all the diverse
>approaches and to some extent eliminated the ugly mixing of Java and HTML
>code, a common practice at times when servlets were used for generating
>page
>content.
>
>Now JSP seems to have matured a bit, now beans and especially tag libraries
>allow some componentization and code reuse, using a controler servlet
>allows
>building applications with a sound MVC (Model 2) architecture, and there
>are
>even components which can be used in such applications, such as the Struts
>framework or the Jakarta tag libraries.
>
>Still, it looks like many people are still dissatisfied with the JSP (and
>sometimes the servlet) technology and are building competing technologies,
>which would improve on JSP in many ways. Two recent examples are the Brazil
>project, which promises web applications which could be built of small
>reusable components, and the Velocity project, which promises to be
>compatible with the WebMacro solution (btw., WebMacro has some very good
>design ideas, such as "no Java code allowed in the template" or "enforce
>MVC
>model"). I don't know much about Brazil, but it seems to have some very
>good
>ideas.
>
>So I would like to ask everyone: Do you think there is a need for a new
>technology for building web applications ? What do you think are the
>strengths and weaknesses of JSP ? Do you think another technology can
>improve significantly on JSP ? Are you effective when using JSP or do you
>think that another technology could help you being more effective ? Or are
>all these technologies basically the same ? What features do you miss in
>JSP
>and what in other technologies ?
>
>Thank you for your answers.
>
>Petr
>
>Links:
>Brazil: http://java.sun.com/features/2000/08/brazil.html
>Velocity: http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/
>WebMacro: http://www.webmacro.org
>Struts: http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/index.html
>
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