talk about off topic, but i'll bite. first of all, Mike, from your post you sound like a script kiddie who's never written any real code. You and I might not like all of m$'s business practices, but to assert that jsp must be better than asp+ (it's now asp.net) because it's written in java is just sheer ignorance. you always should choose the tool that's best for the job. personally, I've been investigating asp.net and frankly i'm really impressed. A lot of the features I want (connection pooling, integrated data and xml support, and support for soap) are just built in features. And Chris, your information isn't exactly correct either. - asp and jsp are more alike than you think. both are converted into byte code at runtime, and their performance is pretty much identical. from what i understand of asp.net, it is justintime compiled on the first request. similar to jsps, but it's executing native instructions rather than byte code (so theoretically, it could be *much* faster). - there is no more script languages in asp.net it's fully typed languages like c-hash and vb and other languages that support .net - as for the 'required' apis of ado, i'll take those any day after pulling my hair out with jdbc. - vendor lock in is just as much an issue with jsp as it is with microsoft. take for example jrun, use their 'custom' tags and your locked into a vendor I'll continue to develop with jsp, but I'm going to be learning asp.net too. let's get back to discussing jsp... if you want to debate the technologies go here: http://www.asplists.com/asplists/debatejspasp2.asp Erik >From: christopher brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: JSP vs. ASP+ >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:56:10 +0100 > >ASP+ copies almost JSP identically. > >When you modify a JSP page, the JSP engine compiles it into a servlet, >running under a JVM (Java Virtual Machine). Unless the JSP page is modified >again at some later time, future requests for the JSP page are directly >handled by compiled servlet. > >ASP+ does the same thing. If you change the ASP+ script's source code, it >is recompiled. A compiled ASP+ script is not compiled directly into native >code for Windows (such as a DLL or EXE), but instead into "intermediate >language" ("IL"), which is more or less the same thing as Java bytecode (but >not compatible). This IL is executed by the .NET runtime (ASP+ is one part >of Microsoft's .NET strategy), in the same way as a JVM executes bytecode. > >As for the number of languages supported by .NET, be careful... what they >really mean is that ASP+ can use scripts written in any language that has >been adapted / extended to support features of IL bytecode. Which is why >VB, MS JScript, etc. are being rewritten and/or extended to become >object-oriented, etc. One way to think of it is that each language says the >same thing, just phrasing it slightly differently. So don't expect any old >Perl script or COBOL program to run under .NET/ASP+... they must conform to >language features required by .NET. > >Furthermore, with .NET, you're required -- or at least expected -- to use >certain APIs, such as ADO+ for data access. So, whether or not C# (for >example) becomes a standard or not is irrelevant... if C# was implemented >with Unix, it probably wouldn't have any access to Microsoft's proprietary >APIs, such as ADO+. As I said, I used C# as an example, but the same vendor >lock-in issues apply also to other key components of .NET. > >Generally JSP is much better, as it can be implemented using cross-platform >APIs with any vendor (this has been a genuine advantage for me...). >Remember however that Java is still more or less proprietary technology >too... For the time being at least though, Sun are doing a good job, >evolving Java in the right directions... > >-Christopher Brown > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mike Sankowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:50 AM >Subject: jsp vs asp+ > > >some guys from my company went to a m$ asp+ users group presentation here in >denver a couple of months ago. they were told that asp+ is compiled, >supports a bunch of different languages (like perl??), has built in support >for soap/xml, has some kind of page caching feature, has process recycling, >etc., etc. > >also ...m$ is claiming that since asp+ is compiled it is faster than jsp >(yeah right, like vb is faster than java). > >i've seen some material on jspinsider.com and i konw jsp has to be better >since it's written with java. has anyone else looked at asp+? > >--Mike >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >=========================================================================== >To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff >JSP-INTEREST". >For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST >DIGEST". >Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: > > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html > http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP > http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets > >=========================================================================== >To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". >For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". >Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: > > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html > http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP > http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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