I am urged to give my .02$ (although it's only a fraction of your bank account). Web dev't is not about using graphics, making quick money, being a capitalist pig and moving to the next project. Web dev't is not being satisfied with what you have... it's development because it is intended to be built upon, dynamically, with the knowing that there is something better. Web dev't is knowing code, understanding it; knowing technology and its implementations. It's about knowing systems architectures in future worlds and approached for innovative development. Both online, and off. Software and hardware. If someone knows that Dreamweaver sucks programmatically, and they can readily use JSP with their own means, then why bother asking the list ??? If one knows, one does not ask. IF YOU'RE SO GOOD, DYLAN, THEN how about you develop and design the best RAD IDE, multi-platform, fully dynamic, standards-based, and spans across businesses... and keep the rest of the world quiet... IF YOU"RE SO RICH AND HAPPY. ... wait... Microsoft is doing that... nevermind... I guess you should shut up next time ?? My two canadian pennies... (PS: I'm aware you don't all want this email. I send this only because we all want to read this sort of response... a response I personally do not usually share with the list.) Yours, Nasser Dassi Software & Internet Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Openmindedness Rewards A Lifetime" ----- Original Message ----- From: Dylan Rosario To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Dreamweaver & JSP The original question was can you use Dreamweaver ULTRADEV to lay out the page... well of course you can. And well the layout of the HTML and the various ways to view you document is worth the time it take to learn the application. The sites you can create are beautiful. If you used vi "all" the time, your web site would look like sh....t. Coding is just as much of an art form as graphics. I think if you are a web developer you should always aspire to do better design. No matter if it is a photoshop project or a complex java bean. Those who criticize new tools like Dreamweaver are probably not even using a GUI based operating system. Only coders who lack the flexibility to ever grow beyond vi are scared of Graphical based tools. I use vi too but it's not the tool to use for layout. Yes, I have to agree with you on the one-way street if you use the Ultradev generated code. Although if you can program a bean you can use that instead. It does the basic <jsp:useBean> conventions. Write a JSP tag lib, jar it up and add it to your application to use the full extent of the Dreamweaver Ultradev DOM compliant interface. It really is a hybrid application. I have several applications that use a blend of Ultradev code and hand written code. The real power comes if you understand XML and can write tag library's you can pretty much do all you want with Dreamweaver. Read the docs on how to extend the Dreamweaver JSP interface. Time to market is everything. I can make $200,000 dollars in 6 weeks because my team uses rapid development tools like Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 and Forte for Java to design high quality web sites. But if you know your sh...t you don't have any thing to worry about the because your smart enough to use DOM and customize the interface for generating the code... It's just my opinion too, so take it with a grain of salt, but my bank accounts and happy clients sure says something else. Dylan =========================================================================== To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
