I think that John Lennon Dream's is very distant. Imagine.
We Won't get to change the past, We Won't get to change only the Future.
Pax.
> ----- Mensagem original -----
> De: Karl Doane [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Enviada em: sexta-feira, 14 de setembro de 2001 15:47
> Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Assunto: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
> I know we should not contiue this but as a Proud AMERICAN, I feel that I
> need to respond. I have to disagree with these people who think we should
> apologize for dropping a Nuclear Bomb on Japan.
>
> Read your real History, not what the liberal bleeding heart media tells
> you.
> 1. THEY STARTED THE WAR with a cowardly sneak attack on Pearl
> Harbor.
> 2. They tortured and executed our captured soldiers.
> 3. They tried to exterminate the Chinese and all the rest of
> Asia.
> 4. They fought till the death and remember the kamakazie planes,
> they would not go quietly.
> 5. We would have lost probably a few hundred thousand soldiers by
> attacking their Homeland.
> 6. We would have had to kill just about every single Japanese
> person to take over Japan. I do believe that is more
> then
> our A Bombs killed.
> 7. You win a war through Attrition, you have to kill so many of
> them that they say 'enough'
> 8 We could have dropped the A bomb on Tokyo, that would have
> killed a few more people.
> 9. I don't they have ever apologized for their acts.
> 10. Don't start something you can't finish, if they didn't want to
> suffer the consequences, they should have stayed on their
> side of the Pacific.
> 11. I do believe that we gave them quite a bit of help rebuilding
> their country along with Germany.
>
> As far as the terrorist a.k.a. slimy, cowardly low lifes, that once again
> sneak attacked us again. Why didn't they stand up like real men and fight
> us head on. No they have to attack a buch of innocent civilians, like
> babies and women. I guess they are too chicken to fight our military head
> on. Why, they are afraid of having a fair fight, that is why.
>
> I feel bad for the 99+% of the Islamic people who are good, hard working
> honest and righteous people. They have to live with the fact that people
> who come from their countries did what they did. They shouldn't be
> ashamed
> because I know that this is not what they are like. We as good AMERICANs
> should treat these people with every right of freedom that we enjoy.
>
> People have said that we got what we deserved. Well, the next time
> somebody
> like Iraq comes steamrolling over your countries, don't come looking for
> help. We bailed you out the last time otherwise I think Iraq would now
> own
> the whole Middle East. You asked us to come over there, we did, and saved
> your butt and this is what we get in return. You will get what you
> deserve
> next time.
>
> You can dance and gloat all you want but just like Japan found out a few
> years back, DON'T MESS WITH US. You can have you Holy War and all that
> stuff but remember you only won the first battle. We will win the war and
> we will DESTROY you. We are the BEST and STRONGEST country in the world
> (They don't call us a Super Power for nothing) and we will not stop until
> we
> completely remove them from this great planet.
>
> If our country was so terrible and evil, then why do Hundred of Thousands
> of
> people want to come to our country and become citizens????? You are just
> a
> bunch of jealous people, who can't stand that we have progressed so far in
> such a short time (200+ years). In those short amount of years we went
> from
> 13 colonies under the thumb of Great Britian, to the MOST POWERFUL NATION
> IN
> THE WORLD. We are also the most ADVANCED and enjoy the most FREEDOM of
> any
> country in the world. Where are you?? The last time I heard,
> Afghanistan,
> is moving back to the caveman age.
>
> That's good, because if they don't hand over the loser, we will help them
> go
> back there, except a little faster.
>
> That is enough of this rant, but the next time any country that hates and
> despises us, has a natural disaster, don't come looking to us for help.
> Try
> to survive on your own for once.
>
> Some of you will say that I am just a crazed person, but this is called
> being an American. You attack one of us, I consider it an attack on all
> of
> us. I realize that all the people who gave the ulimate sacrifce before
> me,
> did so that I can live in this country. I love my freedom and will NEVER
> EVER apologize for what we did in defense of our country. If you don't
> like
> how we handle situations, don't ask us for our help.
>
> When was the last time we went somewhere uninvited??
> Middle East - We were invited.
> Kosovo - Invited and did 75%+ of the fighting.
> Vietnam - Invited.
> Korea - Invited.
> Haiti - Invited.
> WWII - Japan attacked, We FINISHED it
>
> I am sure that you have heard the saying 'Hell has no fury like a Woman's
> scorn' Well guess what, LADY LIBERTY is ticked off and she is going to
> open
> a can of whipa** on those low lifes. May God have mercy on their souls.
>
> AMERICA, HOME OF THE FREE!!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:22 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
>
> First, I see no reason why some oppose this discussion in this list,
> mostly
> because I think a number of us in this list are almost like family. I have
> been on this list for almost 2 years, and I have seen a lot more too.
> Second, I have to say in defense to not posting this discussion on this
> list, of all the mailing lists I am part of, this is the ONLY list
> actually
> talking about this, so most likely it is not appropriate. But this list
> covers people around the world more so than any other list I am on. I do
> however feel it is good to talk about this, and therefore, I am replying
> another thought I had the other day.
>
> I work in a small dot.com company and with me are a few co-workers from
> India. I am white, but I consider these co workers my brothers (and
> sister)
> as I respect them very much. In the past couple of days they have taught
> me
> some information about what has happened in India, and other parts of the
> world. The reason for my reply is it really bothers me to think that after
> 10's of thousands of people have died in India and other parts of the
> world,
> nobody once got up and said "Let all of us Countries get together and
> defeat
> this". But when it hits in the US, now it is ok to do this. Don't get me
> wrong..I am devastated and if I did not have children I would already have
> enlisted with the 100,000's of those doing so now. I am furious and feel
> nobody in their right mind should ever have done this not only to the US
> but
> to ANY country. The point is, while I fully support full military
> retaliation, this should have been done a LOOONG time ago.
>
> I would like to finish by saying I really am disgusted that so many
> Americans are targeting local Arab and even Indian establishments. I have
> a
> good friend who's brother has been beat up and in several fights already
> because he is Arabic. This is plain wrong. Period. We ALL need to bond,
> around the world, no matter what nationality we are or where we live, to
> wipe this out for good. Even saying that we all know it wont be possible
> to
> wipe it out everywhere for good. But if somehow all the countries got
> together and said "Hey..you mess with us, we wipe you out. You mess with
> them, we wipe you out. You mess with anyone, we wipe you out. Period" and
> they would understand that no matter where they target, all countries
> would
> get together and fight this problem, perhaps the incidents would diminish
> or
> even disappear. I do recognize and even fear that there are still Cells
> operating in the US and other parts of the world, and that it is not only
> possible but more than likely that they will strike again soon during all
> this, and more US (and other countries) civilians will be harmed. I will
> be
> the first to admit (and I have heard many many more like me) that I am a
> little fearful of certain Arabic looking men mostly because this whole
> thing
> has brought about a severe uncertainty amongst the populations of not only
> here, but around the world. But I for one will not just arbitrarily attack
> or be biased against them unless there is reason to do so. I pray that we
> don't see Marshall Law declared and that we don't see anything close to
> what
> happened to the Japanese in WWII.
>
> When all is said and done, we need to all come together as a world, not
> just
> nationality or country, and rise above these outrageous acts. It will only
> be then that we can see anything close to world peace.
>
> Perhaps I am wrong in writing this, I apologize if I offend anyone. But
> after talking to a number of people via email, online chat, and in person,
> I
> get the feeling a lot of people feel the way I do.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Choe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:35 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> >
> >
> > but neither has japan ever apologized for their atrocities during the
> > war to this day and even their history books leave out this part of
> > their history. the US, however late and however hard they fought
> > agaisnt, has made some apologies and compensations to the japanese
> > americans they have interned during the war.
> >
> > and is you are not familiar with what atrocities the japanese
> > has done,
> > look into the rape of nanking and what they did with comfort women(sex
> > slaves) from korea.
> >
> > thus ends the history lesson for the day.
> >
> > Haseltine, Celeste wrote:
> >
> > > Sanjay,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The fact that we did drop nuclear bombs that killed and maimed many
> > > civilians is one that I am still ashamed of to this day as a US
> > > citizen. Nor am I proud that we as a nation have never
> > made a formal
> > > apology to Japan, as they have provided us for the bombing at Pearl
> > > Harbor. But as my father pointed out to me (he was 12
> > years old at the
> > > time of the attack on Pearl Harbor), it was the only way we
> > could bring
> > > an end to the war. The two atomic bombs that we dropped
> > on Nagasaki
> > > and Hiroshima were NOT a response to the attack on Pearl
> > Harbor. They
> > > were simply the most economic way AT THAT TIME, to bring to
> > an end to a
> > > war that did bankrupt all of Europe, and almost bankrupted
> > the United
> > > States.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Celeste
> > >
> > > ----Original Message-----
> > > From: Sanjay Gomes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:09 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> > >
> > >
> > > I am sorry for again writing offtopic but couldn't
> > resist a reply to
> > > this, I am neither a critic of the US nor a fanatic but ....
> > >
> > > ..the facts are
> > >
> > > The Japanese bombed the military targets in the Pearl
> > harbour , and
> > > in response the US dropped Nuclear bombs on two heavily
> > populated
> > > cities
> > >
> > > creating millions of civilian casualties for times to come
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Haseltine, Celeste [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 14 September 2001 17:00
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> > >
> > > To everyone on JSP Board.
> > >
> > > I apologize for filling up the board with another
> > response, and off
> > > topic at
> > > that. But I am so tired of hearing how we in American may have
> > > deserved a
> > > taste of what many in other countries have had to deal
> > with the last
> > > couple
> > > of days, that I had to respond to Isidoros. My
> > apologies to anyone I
> > > inconvenience on the board today.
> > >
> > > -----------------------
> > >
> > > Isidoros,
> > >
> > > I wanted to thank you for your expression of sympathy
> > for those of
> > > us here
> > > in the US who did loose family, loved ones, and
> > co-workers this past
> > > Tues.
> > > Fortunately for our company in Texas, all the employees of the
> > > company that
> > > we were working a contract with did manage to get out
> > of the World
> > > Trade
> > > Center Towers and are accounted for.
> > >
> > > What you say is very true. We vote people into office
> > in the US that
> > > reflect the majority opinion of whatever political
> > issues are at the
> > > forefront during the election process. We do hold a
> > great deal of
> > > world
> > > power in our hands, and we often do force our views of
> > democracy and
> > > justice
> > > onto other countries who cultures and views are
> > different. And, we
> > > may use
> > > our military muscle to protect our interests and the
> > interests of our
> > > allies, sometimes at the expense of the local people.
> > >
> > > So some of the hatred that has recently been directed at us is
> > > understandable. But it is NOT excusable. We are a country who
> > > believe in
> > > the rights of all free people to take up arms and fight
> > for what they
> > > believe in. But terrorism in ANY form is a cowardly
> > way to fight,
> > > and it is
> > > one that is without honor. Back when the Japanese bombed Pearl
> > > Harbor, they
> > > freely and openly wore their national symbols on their
> > planes, and
> > > their
> > > uniforms. And they admitted that they bomb us. Though
> > the result
> > > of their
> > > actions were no different than the results that
> > occurred on Tues in
> > > NY and
> > > Washington, DC, the Japanese were a people and country
> > with honor.
> > > They
> > > fought and died for what they believed in, and we in
> > this country have
> > > respected them from the day they signed the armistice, up to the
> > > present.
> > >
> > >
> > > The people behind the attack that took place on Tuesday
> > have refused to
> > > stand up and admit who they are. Because of this, many
> > Americans
> > > view their
> > > actions, and whatever beliefs they may hold that lead
> > them to the
> > > attack on
> > > Tues, in contempt. They are cowardly, and are a people without
> > > honor. In
> > > addition to the attack on US soil on Tuesday, these
> > same people have
> > > killed
> > > so many others in so many countries, that it is time that we
> > > globally take a
> > > stand and put a stop to terrorism once and for all. That is why
> > > NATO, and
> > > many other countries, including those who are openly
> > opposed to the
> > > US such
> > > as Libya, have joined the US in condemning what
> > happened on Tues.
> > > Whether
> > > this will eventually lead to military action or not,
> > it's hard to
> > > say. But
> > > this American is willing to cast a vote for military
> > action IF their is
> > > sufficient evidence regarding who was behind this
> > attack, and IF the
> > > person
> > > or persons responsible refuse to stand up for their actions and
> > > beliefs in a
> > > court of law (UN court or otherwise).
> > >
> > > Thank you again for your prayers, and continuing
> > praying that we as
> > > a global
> > > community can put a stop to terrorism once and for all without
> > > resorting to
> > > military action.
> > >
> > > Celeste
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Isidoros Vacropoulos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:48 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> > >
> > >
> > > Good morning,
> > >
> > > I'm sorry that i use this list for telling my opinion about the
> > > terrible
> > > things that happened in USA. Whoever does not want to read this
> > > mail, he can
> > > just erase it. I don't think it is tiring to erase an email....
> > >
> > > I would also like to express my deep sorrow to the
> > citizens of the USA.
> > > Maybe there are fellow subscribers that may have lost friendly
> > > people or
> > > relatives.
> > >
> > > Secondly, i would like to say that i'm from Greece and
> > i'm a Christian
> > > Orthodox. After reading all these mails in this list, i
> > would also
> > > like to
> > > say my opinion...
> > >
> > > Noone in this earth has the right to feel happy for the
> > dead people
> > > and for
> > > all the destructions in the city of New York.
> > > N O O N E. Beyond religion, political beliefs and financial
> > > situation , we
> > > are all human beings and who are not given the right to
> > feel relief
> > > for some
> > > people who die, even if their political or religious
> > background is
> > > not the
> > > same to ours.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, noone has also the right to decide
> > an attack and
> > > kill
> > > innocent people.
> > > Whether you want it or not, the fellow subscribers that
> > come from
> > > the great
> > > countries, like USA,Germany,Great Britain and the other ARE
> > > RESPONSIBLE FOR
> > > THIS TRAGEDY TOO.
> > > Voting for presidents and people in high places in the
> > goverments
> > > who decide
> > > that they will bomb innocent people (YUGOSLAVIA,
> > AFRICA....) is not
> > > less
> > > responsibility than taking this decision. I want to
> > make clear that
> > > i'm not
> > > saying that USA got what it deserved....I don't think that human
> > > beings are
> > > the right beings to decide who has done wrong and who
> > has done right.
> > > I'm just saying that you are the one who voted for your
> > presidents.Your
> > > presidentd decided many bad things and attacks in the
> > near past (and
> > > noone
> > > can deny it) and these presidents made so many
> > countries,folks and
> > > people
> > > enemies of yours.
> > > What i'm saying is that you gave the right to some
> > people to hate you
> > > because you made attacks that shouldn't have happened.
> > > Whether you want it or not you hold the situation of
> > the planet in your
> > > hands. You can decide now what will hapen in my country
> > in the next 30
> > > years.If you ever understand the power that you hold in your
> > > hands.............
> > >
> > > Again, i want to express my deep condolences to the
> > families of the
> > > dead and
> > > wounded people,
> > > i'm sure that are deep religious people in my country
> > that will pray
> > > for
> > > you.
> > >
> > >
> > > Isidoros
> > >
> > > (P.S)
> > > I would like some fellow subscribers, especially from
> > USA, to judge my
> > > opinion.
> > >
> > > Thanx
> > >
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