Guys,
Express ur feelings in some other way rather than flooding a news group
..........Let us get back to the topic.....................
Regards
Sankar
iZone Infotech wrote:
> I'm a little late on this subject, but read the thread. Just a few
> points for everybody to think. Please, I am not taking sides. 1. How
> does somebody become a terrorist? For that matter even a petty
> criminal or thief? Do WE the so called civilized society has some
> responsibility towards it? 2. 'Taliban' is the product of America and
> Pakistan. I am sure that everybody knows it. 3. Bin Laden is the
> bi-product of Iraq operation by UN or rather US. So, who is to blame
> for the current situation? Now about innocents. In Kashmir (I am an
> Indian) people are killed by the same terrorist groups and the
> government of India is fighting this for the last so many years.
> Everybody, including America turned their back on us, till very
> recently when the same group became a problem for them also. Please
> remember that America, Pakistan and Taliban were friends till the
> other day. The people of Iraq DID NOT elect Saddam Hussain. The
> people of Iraq are equally victims of Saddam Hussain as the rest of
> the world. So why bomb the innocents and have sanctions on them.
> Only the innocents are suffering there. Saddam Hussain still rules
> the country and eats good food and lives in luxury. Are WE (UN and
> US) NOT responsible for those innocent deaths? Or, is it that
> innocents are found only in USA and such rich countries. I strongly
> condemn terrorism and violence. But all form of violence, including
> state sponsored. Let's not create terrorists....Let's not create
> criminals... Violence invites more violence. It is time to talk
> peace. I have read somewhere on the Internet that BinLaden team has
> access to nuclear and biological weapons. God save the world (USA,
> India, Israel and other countries). I have mentioned 3 countries
> because they are the biggest enemies of Bin Laden. I want peace and
> not WAR. I am an Indian and a Christian. Both Mahatma Gandhi and
> Jesus Christ taught us to be non-violent. You can kill one Bin Laden,
> but it will create more Bin Ladens. So, that is not the end of the
> story but the beginning. We must make sure that this world is a JUST
> one, with respect for all, so that more Bin Ladens are not created.
> Otherwise America with all its might or the combined world power will
> not be able to do anything. Kashmir, LTTE in SriLanka, Chechniya are
> all examples. Stop Killing and Look for Peace. That is the only thing
> which is lasting. D. Joseph
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Yazid Mohaidat
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> As a proud human I think I have to answer you dear Karl. I
> believe that those people who commited this attack think in
> the same way of you !! Be sure my friend that everyone in
> this world is very proud of his nation and his history. We
> should respect every man proud of himself as a human and
> works for the sake of the humanity,,,,, and disregard those
> who think that they are the superior creatures, or the Gods
> of this world !! If we keep thinking this and disregarding
> the others, their relgions, and their thinking, then we
> should expect many other attacks like this or maybe
> worse. Let's be beloving people, men and women, Muslims,
> Cristians and all the relegions !
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Karl Doane
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:46 PM
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> I know we should not contiue this but as a Proud
> AMERICAN, I feel that I
> need to respond. I have to disagree with these
> people who think we should
> apologize for dropping a Nuclear Bomb on Japan.
>
> Read your real History, not what the liberal
> bleeding heart media tells you.
> 1. THEY STARTED THE WAR with a cowardly
> sneak attack on Pearl
> Harbor.
> 2. They tortured and executed our
> captured soldiers.
> 3. They tried to exterminate the Chinese
> and all the rest of Asia.
> 4. They fought till the death and
> remember the kamakazie planes,
> they would not go quietly.
> 5. We would have lost probably a few
> hundred thousand soldiers by
> attacking their Homeland.
> 6. We would have had to kill just about
> every single Japanese
> person to take over Japan. I do believe that
> is more then
> our A Bombs killed.
> 7. You win a war through Attrition, you
> have to kill so many of
> them that they say 'enough'
> 8 We could have dropped the A bomb on
> Tokyo, that would have
> killed a few more people.
> 9. I don't they have ever apologized for
> their acts.
> 10. Don't start something you can't finish,
> if they didn't want to
> suffer the consequences, they should
> have stayed on their
> side of the Pacific.
> 11. I do believe that we gave them quite a
> bit of help rebuilding
> their country along with Germany.
>
> As far as the terrorist a.k.a. slimy, cowardly low
> lifes, that once again
> sneak attacked us again. Why didn't they stand up
> like real men and fight
> us head on. No they have to attack a buch of
> innocent civilians, like
> babies and women. I guess they are too chicken to
> fight our military head
> on. Why, they are afraid of having a fair fight,
> that is why.
>
> I feel bad for the 99+% of the Islamic people who
> are good, hard working
> honest and righteous people. They have to live
> with the fact that people
> who come from their countries did what they did.
> They shouldn't be ashamed
> because I know that this is not what they are
> like. We as good AMERICANs
> should treat these people with every right of
> freedom that we enjoy.
>
> People have said that we got what we deserved.
> Well, the next time somebody
> like Iraq comes steamrolling over your countries,
> don't come looking for
> help. We bailed you out the last time otherwise I
> think Iraq would now own
> the whole Middle East. You asked us to come over
> there, we did, and saved
> your butt and this is what we get in return. You
> will get what you deserve
> next time.
>
> You can dance and gloat all you want but just like
> Japan found out a few
> years back, DON'T MESS WITH US. You can have you
> Holy War and all that
> stuff but remember you only won the first battle.
> We will win the war and
> we will DESTROY you. We are the BEST and
> STRONGEST country in the world
> (They don't call us a Super Power for nothing) and
> we will not stop until we
> completely remove them from this great planet.
>
> If our country was so terrible and evil, then why
> do Hundred of Thousands of
> people want to come to our country and become
> citizens????? You are just a
> bunch of jealous people, who can't stand that we
> have progressed so far in
> such a short time (200+ years). In those short
> amount of years we went from
> 13 colonies under the thumb of Great Britian, to
> the MOST POWERFUL NATION IN
> THE WORLD. We are also the most ADVANCED and
> enjoy the most FREEDOM of any
> country in the world. Where are you?? The last
> time I heard, Afghanistan,
> is moving back to the caveman age.
>
> That's good, because if they don't hand over the
> loser, we will help them go
> back there, except a little faster.
>
> That is enough of this rant, but the next time any
> country that hates and
> despises us, has a natural disaster, don't come
> looking to us for help. Try
> to survive on your own for once.
>
> Some of you will say that I am just a crazed
> person, but this is called
> being an American. You attack one of us, I
> consider it an attack on all of
> us. I realize that all the people who gave the
> ulimate sacrifce before me,
> did so that I can live in this country. I love my
> freedom and will NEVER
> EVER apologize for what we did in defense of our
> country. If you don't like
> how we handle situations, don't ask us for our
> help.
>
> When was the last time we went somewhere
> uninvited??
> Middle East - We were invited.
> Kosovo - Invited and did 75%+ of the fighting.
> Vietnam - Invited.
> Korea - Invited.
> Haiti - Invited.
> WWII - Japan attacked, We FINISHED it
>
> I am sure that you have heard the saying 'Hell has
> no fury like a Woman's
> scorn' Well guess what, LADY LIBERTY is ticked
> off and she is going to open
> a can of whipa** on those low lifes. May God have
> mercy on their souls.
>
> AMERICA, HOME OF THE FREE!!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:22 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
>
> First, I see no reason why some oppose this
> discussion in this list, mostly
> because I think a number of us in this list are
> almost like family. I have
> been on this list for almost 2 years, and I have
> seen a lot more too.
> Second, I have to say in defense to not posting
> this discussion on this
> list, of all the mailing lists I am part of, this
> is the ONLY list actually
> talking about this, so most likely it is not
> appropriate. But this list
> covers people around the world more so than any
> other list I am on. I do
> however feel it is good to talk about this, and
> therefore, I am replying
> another thought I had the other day.
>
> I work in a small dot.com company and with me are
> a few co-workers from
> India. I am white, but I consider these co workers
> my brothers (and sister)
> as I respect them very much. In the past couple of
> days they have taught me
> some information about what has happened in India,
> and other parts of the
> world. The reason for my reply is it really
> bothers me to think that after
> 10's of thousands of people have died in India and
> other parts of the world,
> nobody once got up and said "Let all of us
> Countries get together and defeat
> this". But when it hits in the US, now it is ok to
> do this. Don't get me
> wrong..I am devastated and if I did not have
> children I would already have
> enlisted with the 100,000's of those doing so now.
> I am furious and feel
> nobody in their right mind should ever have done
> this not only to the US but
> to ANY country. The point is, while I fully
> support full military
> retaliation, this should have been done a LOOONG
> time ago.
>
> I would like to finish by saying I really am
> disgusted that so many
> Americans are targeting local Arab and even Indian
> establishments. I have a
> good friend who's brother has been beat up and in
> several fights already
> because he is Arabic. This is plain wrong. Period.
> We ALL need to bond,
> around the world, no matter what nationality we
> are or where we live, to
> wipe this out for good. Even saying that we all
> know it wont be possible to
> wipe it out everywhere for good. But if somehow
> all the countries got
> together and said "Hey..you mess with us, we wipe
> you out. You mess with
> them, we wipe you out. You mess with anyone, we
> wipe you out. Period" and
> they would understand that no matter where they
> target, all countries would
> get together and fight this problem, perhaps the
> incidents would diminish or
> even disappear. I do recognize and even fear that
> there are still Cells
> operating in the US and other parts of the world,
> and that it is not only
> possible but more than likely that they will
> strike again soon during all
> this, and more US (and other countries) civilians
> will be harmed. I will be
> the first to admit (and I have heard many many
> more like me) that I am a
> little fearful of certain Arabic looking men
> mostly because this whole thing
> has brought about a severe uncertainty amongst the
> populations of not only
> here, but around the world. But I for one will not
> just arbitrarily attack
> or be biased against them unless there is reason
> to do so. I pray that we
> don't see Marshall Law declared and that we don't
> see anything close to what
> happened to the Japanese in WWII.
>
> When all is said and done, we need to all come
> together as a world, not just
> nationality or country, and rise above these
> outrageous acts. It will only
> be then that we can see anything close to world
> peace.
>
> Perhaps I am wrong in writing this, I apologize if
> I offend anyone. But
> after talking to a number of people via email,
> online chat, and in person, I
> get the feeling a lot of people feel the way I do.
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Choe
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:35 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> >
> >
> > but neither has japan ever apologized for their
> atrocities during the
> > war to this day and even their history books
> leave out this part of
> > their history. the US, however late and however
> hard they fought
> > agaisnt, has made some apologies and
> compensations to the japanese
> > americans they have interned during the war.
> >
> > and is you are not familiar with what atrocities
> the japanese
> > has done,
> > look into the rape of nanking and what they did
> with comfort women(sex
> > slaves) from korea.
> >
> > thus ends the history lesson for the day.
> >
> > Haseltine, Celeste wrote:
> >
> > > Sanjay,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The fact that we did drop nuclear bombs that
> killed and maimed many
> > > civilians is one that I am still ashamed of to
> this day as a US
> > > citizen. Nor am I proud that we as a nation
> have never
> > made a formal
> > > apology to Japan, as they have provided us for
> the bombing at Pearl
> > > Harbor. But as my father pointed out to me
> (he was 12
> > years old at the
> > > time of the attack on Pearl Harbor), it was
> the only way we
> > could bring
> > > an end to the war. The two atomic bombs that
> we dropped
> > on Nagasaki
> > > and Hiroshima were NOT a response to the
> attack on Pearl
> > Harbor. They
> > > were simply the most economic way AT THAT
> TIME, to bring to
> > an end to a
> > > war that did bankrupt all of Europe, and
> almost bankrupted
> > the United
> > > States.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Celeste
> > >
> > > ----Original Message-----
> > > From: Sanjay Gomes
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:09 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> > >
> > >
> > > I am sorry for again writing offtopic but
> couldn't
> > resist a reply to
> > > this, I am neither a critic of the US
> nor a fanatic but ....
> > >
> > > ..the facts are
> > >
> > > The Japanese bombed the military targets
> in the Pearl
> > harbour , and
> > > in response the US dropped Nuclear bombs
> on two heavily
> > populated
> > > cities
> > >
> > > creating millions of civilian casualties
> for times to come
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Haseltine, Celeste
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 14 September 2001 17:00
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist
> attacks
> > >
> > > To everyone on JSP Board.
> > >
> > > I apologize for filling up the board with
> another
> > response, and off
> > > topic at
> > > that. But I am so tired of hearing how we
> in American may have
> > > deserved a
> > > taste of what many in other countries have
> had to deal
> > with the last
> > > couple
> > > of days, that I had to respond to
> Isidoros. My
> > apologies to anyone I
> > > inconvenience on the board today.
> > >
> > > -----------------------
> > >
> > > Isidoros,
> > >
> > > I wanted to thank you for your expression
> of sympathy
> > for those of
> > > us here
> > > in the US who did loose family, loved
> ones, and
> > co-workers this past
> > > Tues.
> > > Fortunately for our company in Texas, all
> the employees of the
> > > company that
> > > we were working a contract with did manage
> to get out
> > of the World
> > > Trade
> > > Center Towers and are accounted for.
> > >
> > > What you say is very true. We vote people
> into office
> > in the US that
> > > reflect the majority opinion of whatever
> political
> > issues are at the
> > > forefront during the election process. We
> do hold a
> > great deal of
> > > world
> > > power in our hands, and we often do force
> our views of
> > democracy and
> > > justice
> > > onto other countries who cultures and
> views are
> > different. And, we
> > > may use
> > > our military muscle to protect our
> interests and the
> > interests of our
> > > allies, sometimes at the expense of the
> local people.
> > >
> > > So some of the hatred that has recently
> been directed at us is
> > > understandable. But it is NOT excusable.
> We are a country who
> > > believe in
> > > the rights of all free people to take up
> arms and fight
> > for what they
> > > believe in. But terrorism in ANY form is
> a cowardly
> > way to fight,
> > > and it is
> > > one that is without honor. Back when the
> Japanese bombed Pearl
> > > Harbor, they
> > > freely and openly wore their national
> symbols on their
> > planes, and
> > > their
> > > uniforms. And they admitted that they
> bomb us. Though
> > the result
> > > of their
> > > actions were no different than the results
> that
> > occurred on Tues in
> > > NY and
> > > Washington, DC, the Japanese were a people
> and country
> > with honor.
> > > They
> > > fought and died for what they believed in,
> and we in
> > this country have
> > > respected them from the day they signed
> the armistice, up to the
> > > present.
> > >
> > >
> > > The people behind the attack that took
> place on Tuesday
> > have refused to
> > > stand up and admit who they are. Because
> of this, many
> > Americans
> > > view their
> > > actions, and whatever beliefs they may
> hold that lead
> > them to the
> > > attack on
> > > Tues, in contempt. They are cowardly, and
> are a people without
> > > honor. In
> > > addition to the attack on US soil on
> Tuesday, these
> > same people have
> > > killed
> > > so many others in so many countries, that
> it is time that we
> > > globally take a
> > > stand and put a stop to terrorism once and
> for all. That is why
> > > NATO, and
> > > many other countries, including those who
> are openly
> > opposed to the
> > > US such
> > > as Libya, have joined the US in condemning
> what
> > happened on Tues.
> > > Whether
> > > this will eventually lead to military
> action or not,
> > it's hard to
> > > say. But
> > > this American is willing to cast a vote
> for military
> > action IF their is
> > > sufficient evidence regarding who was
> behind this
> > attack, and IF the
> > > person
> > > or persons responsible refuse to stand up
> for their actions and
> > > beliefs in a
> > > court of law (UN court or otherwise).
> > >
> > > Thank you again for your prayers, and
> continuing
> > praying that we as
> > > a global
> > > community can put a stop to terrorism once
> and for all without
> > > resorting to
> > > military action.
> > >
> > > Celeste
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Isidoros Vacropoulos
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:48 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> > >
> > >
> > > Good morning,
> > >
> > > I'm sorry that i use this list for telling
> my opinion about the
> > > terrible
> > > things that happened in USA. Whoever does
> not want to read this
> > > mail, he can
> > > just erase it. I don't think it is tiring
> to erase an email....
> > >
> > > I would also like to express my deep
> sorrow to the
> > citizens of the USA.
> > > Maybe there are fellow subscribers that
> may have lost friendly
> > > people or
> > > relatives.
> > >
> > > Secondly, i would like to say that i'm
> from Greece and
> > i'm a Christian
> > > Orthodox. After reading all these mails in
> this list, i
> > would also
> > > like to
> > > say my opinion...
> > >
> > > Noone in this earth has the right to feel
> happy for the
> > dead people
> > > and for
> > > all the destructions in the city of New
> York.
> > > N O O N E. Beyond religion, political
> beliefs and financial
> > > situation , we
> > > are all human beings and who are not given
> the right to
> > feel relief
> > > for some
> > > people who die, even if their political or
> religious
> > background is
> > > not the
> > > same to ours.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, noone has also the
> right to decide
> > an attack and
> > > kill
> > > innocent people.
> > > Whether you want it or not, the fellow
> subscribers that
> > come from
> > > the great
> > > countries, like USA,Germany,Great Britain
> and the other ARE
> > > RESPONSIBLE FOR
> > > THIS TRAGEDY TOO.
> > > Voting for presidents and people in high
> places in the
> > goverments
> > > who decide
> > > that they will bomb innocent people
> (YUGOSLAVIA,
> > AFRICA....) is not
> > > less
> > > responsibility than taking this decision.
> I want to
> > make clear that
> > > i'm not
> > > saying that USA got what it deserved....I
> don't think that human
> > > beings are
> > > the right beings to decide who has done
> wrong and who
> > has done right.
> > > I'm just saying that you are the one who
> voted for your
> > presidents.Your
> > > presidentd decided many bad things and
> attacks in the
> > near past (and
> > > noone
> > > can deny it) and these presidents made so
> many
> > countries,folks and
> > > people
> > > enemies of yours.
> > > What i'm saying is that you gave the right
> to some
> > people to hate you
> > > because you made attacks that shouldn't
> have happened.
> > > Whether you want it or not you hold the
> situation of
> > the planet in your
> > > hands. You can decide now what will hapen
> in my country
> > in the next 30
> > > years.If you ever understand the power
> that you hold in your
> > > hands.............
> > >
> > > Again, i want to express my deep
> condolences to the
> > families of the
> > > dead and
> > > wounded people,
> > > i'm sure that are deep religious people in
> my country
> > that will pray
> > > for
> > > you.
> > >
> > >
> > > Isidoros
> > >
> > > (P.S)
> > > I would like some fellow subscribers,
> especially from
> > USA, to judge my
> > > opinion.
> > >
> > > Thanx
> > >
> > >
> >
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