Go and play your music somewhere else.. You STUPID!
This is not the place....
-----Original Message-----
From: cupid1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
Importance: High
Santapur,
I am sorry that I stepped on your tale. Don't cry for
help of others. Be a man and face the music.
shuaib
----- Original Message -----
From: Santapur, Rao
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
Folks!,
Let us get this "cupid1" stupid off this list... it's
really hightime now.....
-----Original Message-----
From: cupid1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:30 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
Arvind,
Thanks for the insight. I know that India has been and
is a great country. It does not mean that it is a
perfect country. Same is true for Pakistan. Countries
represents people and you know that we are the same
people. I cant just sit around and read to some
Indians badmouthing Pakistan on this list all the
time.
BTW we are not religious fanatics other wise we will
be supporting Taliban not the USA in this crises. In a
recent survey about 70% Pakistani supported USA
against Taliban.
I appreciate the fact that India is a secular country
by constitution and hopeful that one day they will be
able to implement the constitution to its fullest
extent.
Since India is such a great country, I wonder why they
don't let the people of Kashmir decide if they like to
be part of India? Just Like in Canada during the past
election they took a risk and had referendum on
Quebec. I hope the great nation of Indian would
muster up such a moral courage and bring and end to
the killings and sufferings to the innocent civilians
who speak up their mind. Regards.
shuaib
----- Original Message -----
From: Aravind
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
hello shuaib,
here are few points pakistanis should keep in mind
muslims in india are living happier than pakistani
people here they enjoy lot of freedom and the
falicities offered to religious minority people
few unwanted things happened in india against
minority people but with that u should not conclude
that india is against christians or muslims. pakistan
media wouldnt have told u about the following things
- a muslim has become the president india. can a
hindu become a president in pakistan?
- a muslim was a supreme court judge in india. can a
hindu become a supreme court judge in pakistan?
- a muslim is the man behind indian nuclear programme
and important defence related research, can a hindu
will be put in such position in pakistan?
- lot of muslims here has become as governers, chief
ministers, union ministers etc in india
first u think of improving your country. dont fell as
victim of religious fundamentalism. dont believe what
pakistan media's hate campaign against india.
and i wonder pakistan acting like caring about
kashmiris. u should note that kashmir was a peace
state and is now being spoiled by pakistan sponsored
terrorists.
Aravind
----- Original Message -----
From: cupid1
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
Milindi,
YOU WISH!!!!
Here are few other things that you forgot to mention
about Pakistan:
1- When Indra Gandhi was in bed with communist Breznev
and they were trying to end the free and civilized
society from the face of earth by spreading communism,
It was Pakistan who stood up and became the last fort
of the free world. Pakistan fought, wounded and
suffered but defeated the red army in the mountains of
Afghanistan with the help of USA.
USSR evaporated because of that great sacrifice that
Pakistan made, but USSR 's ally India would not
swallow the defeat and keep badmouthing Pakistan, till
today.
2- Because of the last week's great tragedy here, US
turned again to Pakistan and Pakistan has always
proven as Friend in need for the free and civilized
world in that region and Pakistan is upto its
responsible character always. India can not see and
bear this since he has dark secret in Kashmir.
3- The oppressed people of Kashmir who are being
killed, tortured, raped and maimed by the Indian army
look upto Pakistan as the torch bearer of freedom and
liberty. Pakistan will always voice the cries of
oppressed people who are being strangulated by the
state sponsored terrorism. That is not what India
likes about Pakistan, so they wish they could erase
Pakistan from face of the earth.
By the way do you remember cast system, the worst type
of slavery, which is imposed on a huge population of
its own people by India? Is that the civilization you
are taliking about?
Do you remember that Ayodhiya mosque was demolished by
the Indian to build a Temple instead? Is it any better
than Taliban demolishing the Buddha statues? Do you
know that Christians, churches and priests are being
attacked and killed in India every day even today? Is
that your brand of civilization?
Do you remember what happened to Sikh 's when Indian
army attacked the Golden Temple? And do you remember
what happened to Sikh's when Indra Gandhi was gunned
down? More than 5000 innocent Sikh 's were dragged
from their homes, shops and schools and were butchered
on the street of New Delhi, Bombay and all over the
India. If that is your standard of a civilized world
than Pakistani rather be "UNCIVILIZED".
Pakistan has been and will be a friend of the free
world whether India likes it or not. We are not
perfect but we know what is right and what is wrong
and we know how to stand up for what we believe in.
shuaib
----- Original Message -----
From: Milind
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
If the USA and the civilized world is serious about
finishing terrorism then it should focus on finishing
Pakistan first.Taleban is a puppet real culprit is
Pakistan.Pakistan is a country which supports
narcotics trade officially.In fact ISI runs on
narcotics money.They have shielded smugglers and thugs
who ve ran away from India.They train terrorists from
all over the world.
It's a biggest menace for the civilized world.
Finish Pakistan and more than 80% of terrorism related
problems would be solved.
Milind
----- Original Message -----
From: iZone Infotech
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
Great dear friend. The Coal calling the kettle black.
Pakistan and terrorism. I do not want to match words
with you because I am talking peace. But the culprits
of Mumbai serial blast which killed many people are
safe in Karachi. Dawoon Ibrahim, the biggest smuggler
and killer of this region is safe in Karachi.
Contrary to the Pak propaganda, many killings of the
innocents in Kashmir is done by terrorists(as far as
India is concerned) and Freedom Fighters (as far as
Pakistan President is concerned), including the
killing happened 2 days ago.
I am not saying that India (as a country) is perfect.
I am saying that ALL kinds of terrorism is bad,
including state sponsored or instigated terrorism.
About giving right to choose, ARE YOU GIVING THE RIGHT
TO SIND PROVINCE?
About Pakistan joining/helping USA, well, you better
do it or FACE THE MUSIC from USA. Dear friend, DO YOU
HAVE ANY CHOICE. You are not doing it because you
like to eradicate terrorism. Moreover, your Military
ruler is scared that he will be overthrown, if he
helps USA. Your President is certainly NOT sitting in
an envious position. Trouble is sure for you, either
from USA or from Taliban. Both were your 'bed
partners' till very recently.
Leave it there. We must end violence. 'How' is the
million dollar question.
Best Regards,
Dantus
----- Original Message -----
From: cupid1
To: iZone Infotech
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
Any one thought of what happened to the super powers
who entered Afghanistan in the past? That was the
beginning of the end for them. Remember USSR, remember
GB? I am afraid that US is preparing to make the same
mistake that other super powers made before. Let me
put it this way, will US ever try to send its forces
to Vietnam again? And trust me, Vietnam will seem like
minor league comparing to Afghanistan.
Afghanistan is not raid-able in military sense because
of its terrain and people. The terrain is so hostile
that only Afghan people has to learn how to live
there. People are so fierce and independent that they
never surrender to foreign powers. They don't have
armies because every one is fighter including women
and children. They might not have bread to eat but
they all own AK47. Fighting is part of their culture
like cock tail parties is part of western cultures.
When they don't have any foreign power to fight with,
they start fighting with each other. I am afraid that
once US forces are there, they might control couple of
cities like USSR did but then they might suffer heavy
causalities. Once they commit themselves they will not
be able to get out from there for years and that will
cause them more causalities. Is it worth to put more
men and women of US army at risk? NO. Please look some
other ways then war.
One more thing, US suddenly falls in love, again, with
Pakistan. As in the past, Pakistan is on US side
again. Pakistan was with USA when cold war was raging
and the Russian tanks rolled into Kabul and the free
world was menaced by the red army. India's Indra
Gandhi was (figuratively speaking) in bed with
Brezneve of Moscow. China and Iran were hostile to USA
and it was only Pakistan who sided with USA and stood
up to be the front line for all the free world.
Together we defeated the USSR and saved the world from
the communism. Then suddenly USA left and Pakistan was
encountered with the problems of aftermath of the war
with Red Army. But it was ok because we sided with USA
because of ideas of freedom that we shared with USA.
It was not that we wanted to please any one rather it
was our believes that we fought for. We are suffering
for that and countries like India are badmouthing us.
India never valued idea of freedom and justice. Siding
with communism, suppressing the huge population of its
own with cast system, which is worse than slavery,
refusing to give Kashmir people right to choose and
terrorizing them with guns, rapes, jails and torture
of all kind, having a close economy which is a strip
down version of socialism.
Once again it is Pakistan who is standing side by side
with USA to fight terrorism because as a nation we
don't condone terrorism and killing innocent people
like being killed in Kashmir, USA and elsewhere.
shuaib
----- Original Message -----
From: iZone Infotech
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
I agree completely with your Afgan friend. It talks
about the same thing as I said earlier. If America
has the power what they claim, it should capture or
eliminate Bin Laden and Taliban and not the poor Afgan
people. The people of Afganistan are equally victims
of Taliban. Otherwise it will be a repetition of
IRAQ. Please remember, the people of IRAQ are still
sufferering but Saddam Hussain is having a ball. And
the people of both the countries are innocent, even
more innocent than the people of America because in
America the President does what the people want. So,
the people have got a collective responsibility to the
actions of the government. That is not the case with
Iraq and Afganistan.
Let's not kill more innocents.
Peace is everlasting. Violence brings more violence
and there is no end to it.
Somebody should forward the email of the Afgan friend
to the President of America.
JOIN TOGETHER FOR A PEACEFUL CO-EXISTANCE.
D. Joseph
----- Original Message -----
From: John Neil N. Sangalang
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
JUST WANT TO FORWARD THIS MESSAG FROM AN AFGHAN......
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> As we reflect upon the tragic events of this week
and an
> appropriate "response," I thought you might like to
see this
> letter from my college roommate, Tamim Ansary, who
grew up
> in Afghanistan. I think he offers an interesting
perspective
> on Bin Laden, the Taliban, and Afghanistan.
>
> Toivo Kallas
> Department of Biology & Microbiology
>
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:14:27 -0700
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Yesterday I heard a lot of talk about "bombing
Afghanistan
> back to the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk
Radio
> allowed that this would mean killing innocent
people, people
> who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but "we're
at war,
> we have to accept collateral damage," and he asked,
"What
> else can we do? What is your suggestion?" Minutes
later I
> heard a TV pundit discussing whether we "have the
belly to
> do what must be done."
>
> And I thought about these issues especially hard
because I
> am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here
for 35
> years I've never lost track of what's been going on
over
> there. So I want to share a few thoughts with anyone
who
> will listen.
>
> I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin
Laden.
> There is no doubt in my mind that these people were
> responsible for the atrocity in New York. I
fervently wish
> to see those monsters punished.
>
> But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan.
They're
> not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban
are a
> cult of ignorant psychotics who captured Afghanistan
in 1997
> and have been holding the country in bondage ever
since. Bin
> Laden is a political criminal with a master plan.
When you
> think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin
Laden, think
> Hitler. And when
> you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the
Jews in the
> concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan
people
> had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the
first
> victims of the perpetrators. They would love for
someone to
> eliminate the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of
> international thugs holed up in their country. I
guarantee
> it.
>
> Some say, if that's the case, why don't the Afghans
rise up
> and overthrow the Taliban themselves? The answer is,
they're
> starved, exhausted, damaged, and incapacitated. A
few years
> ago, the United Nations estimated that there are
500,000
> disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no
economy,
> no food. Millions of Afghans are widows of the
approximately
> two million men killed during the war with the
Soviets. And
> the Taliban has been executing these women for being
women
> and have buried some of their opponents alive in
mass
> graves. The soil of Afghanistan is littered with
land mines
> and almost all
> the farms have been destroyed . The Afghan people
have tried
> to overthrow the Taliban. They haven't been able to.
>
> We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan
back to
> the Stone Age. Trouble with that scheme is, it's
already
> been done. The Soviets took care of it . Make the
Afghans
> suffer? They're already suffering. Level their
houses? Done.
> Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done.
Eradicate
> their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure?
There
> is no infrastructure.
> Cut them off from medicine and health care? Too
late.
> Someone already did all that.
>
> New bombs would only land in the rubble of earlier
bombs.
> Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In
today's
> Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have
the means
> to move around. They'd slip away and hide. (They hae
> already, I hear.) Maybe the bombs would get some of
those
> disabled
> orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even
have
> wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping
bombs
> wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals
who did
> this horrific thing. Actually it would be making
common
> cause with the Taliban--by raping once again the
people
> they've been raping all this time
>
> So what else can be done, then? Let me now speak
with true
> fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is
to go
> in there with ground troops. I think that when
people speak
> of "having the belly to do what needs to be done"
many of
> them are thinking in terms of having the belly to
kill as
> many as needed. They are thinking about overcoming
moral
> qualms about killing innocent people. But it's the
belly to
> die not kill that's actually on the table. Americans
will
> die in a land war to get Bin Laden. And not just
because
> some Americans would die fighting their way through
> Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger
than
> that, folks. To get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd
have to
> go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely.
The
> conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will
other
> Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm
going. The
> invasion approach is a flirtation with global war
between
> Islam and the West.
>
> And that is Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what
he
> wants and why he did this thing. Read his speeches
and
> statements. It's all right there. AT the moment, of
course,
> "Islam" as such does not exist. There are Muslims
and there
> are Muslim countries, but no such political entity
as Islam.
> Bin Laden believes that if he can get a war started,
he can
> constitute this entity and he'd be running it. He
really
> believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem
> ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the
world into
> Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If
the West
> wreaks a holocaust in Muslim lands, that's a billion
people
> with nothing left to lose, even better from Bin
Laden's
> point of view. He's probably wrong about winning, in
the end
> the west would probably overcome--whatever that
would mean
> in such a war; but the war would last for years and
millions
> would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the
belly for
> that? Bin Laden yes, but anyone else?
>
> I don't have a solution. But I do believe that
suffering and
> poverty are the soil in which terrorism grows. Bin
Laden and
> his cohorts want to bait us into creating more such
soil, so
> they and their kind can flourish. We can't let him
do that.
> That's my humble opinion.
>
> Tamim Ansary
>
----- Original Message -----
From: iZone Infotech
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
I'm a little late on this subject, but read the
thread. Just a few points for everybody to think.
Please, I am not taking sides.
1. How does somebody become a terrorist? For that
matter even a petty criminal or thief? Do WE the so
called civilized society has some responsibility
towards it?
2. 'Taliban' is the product of America and Pakistan.
I am sure that everybody knows it.
3. Bin Laden is the bi-product of Iraq operation by UN
or rather US.
So, who is to blame for the current situation?
Now about innocents. In Kashmir (I am an Indian)
people are killed by the same terrorist groups and the
government of India is fighting this for the last so
many years. Everybody, including America turned their
back on us, till very recently when the same group
became a problem for them also. Please remember that
America, Pakistan and Taliban were friends till the
other day.
The people of Iraq DID NOT elect Saddam Hussain. The
people of Iraq are equally victims of Saddam Hussain
as the rest of the world. So why bomb the innocents
and have sanctions on them. Only the innocents are
suffering there. Saddam Hussain still rules the
country and eats good food and lives in luxury. Are
WE (UN and US) NOT responsible for those innocent
deaths? Or, is it that innocents are found only in
USA and such rich countries.
I strongly condemn terrorism and violence. But all
form of violence, including state sponsored.
Let's not create terrorists....
Let's not create criminals...
Violence invites more violence. It is time to talk
peace. I have read somewhere on the Internet that
BinLaden team has access to nuclear and biological
weapons. God save the world (USA, India, Israel and
other countries). I have mentioned 3 countries
because they are the biggest enemies of Bin Laden. I
want peace and not WAR.
I am an Indian and a Christian. Both Mahatma Gandhi
and Jesus Christ taught us to be non-violent. You can
kill one Bin Laden, but it will create more Bin
Ladens. So, that is not the end of the story but the
beginning. We must make sure that this world is a
JUST one, with respect for all, so that more Bin
Ladens are not created. Otherwise America with all
its might or the combined world power will not be able
to do anything. Kashmir, LTTE in SriLanka, Chechniya
are all examples.
Stop Killing and Look for Peace. That is the only
thing which is lasting.
D. Joseph
----- Original Message -----
From: Yazid Mohaidat
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
As a proud human I think I have to answer you dear
Karl. I believe that those people who commited this
attack think in the same way of you !! Be sure my
friend that everyone in this world is very proud of
his nation and his history. We should respect every
man proud of himself as a human and works for the sake
of the humanity,,,,, and disregard those who think
that they are the superior creatures, or the Gods of
this world !! If we keep thinking this and
disregarding the others, their relgions, and their
thinking, then we should expect many other attacks
like this or maybe worse.
Let's be beloving people, men and women, Muslims,
Cristians and all the relegions !
----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Doane
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
I know we should not contiue this but as a Proud
AMERICAN, I feel that I
need to respond. I have to disagree with these people
who think we should
apologize for dropping a Nuclear Bomb on Japan.
Read your real History, not what the liberal bleeding
heart media tells you.
1. THEY STARTED THE WAR with a cowardly sneak
attack on Pearl
Harbor.
2. They tortured and executed our captured
soldiers.
3. They tried to exterminate the Chinese and
all the rest of Asia.
4. They fought till the death and remember
the kamakazie planes,
they would not go quietly.
5. We would have lost probably a few hundred
thousand soldiers by
attacking their Homeland.
6. We would have had to kill just about every
single Japanese
person to take over Japan. I do believe that is
more then
our A Bombs killed.
7. You win a war through Attrition, you have
to kill so many of
them that they say 'enough'
8 We could have dropped the A bomb on Tokyo,
that would have
killed a few more people.
9. I don't they have ever apologized for their
acts.
10. Don't start something you can't finish, if
they didn't want to
suffer the consequences, they should have
stayed on their
side of the Pacific.
11. I do believe that we gave them quite a bit
of help rebuilding
their country along with Germany.
As far as the terrorist a.k.a. slimy, cowardly low
lifes, that once again
sneak attacked us again. Why didn't they stand up
like real men and fight
us head on. No they have to attack a buch of innocent
civilians, like
babies and women. I guess they are too chicken to
fight our military head
on. Why, they are afraid of having a fair fight, that
is why.
I feel bad for the 99+% of the Islamic people who are
good, hard working
honest and righteous people. They have to live with
the fact that people
who come from their countries did what they did. They
shouldn't be ashamed
because I know that this is not what they are like.
We as good AMERICANs
should treat these people with every right of freedom
that we enjoy.
People have said that we got what we deserved. Well,
the next time somebody
like Iraq comes steamrolling over your countries,
don't come looking for
help. We bailed you out the last time otherwise I
think Iraq would now own
the whole Middle East. You asked us to come over
there, we did, and saved
your butt and this is what we get in return. You will
get what you deserve
next time.
You can dance and gloat all you want but just like
Japan found out a few
years back, DON'T MESS WITH US. You can have you Holy
War and all that
stuff but remember you only won the first battle. We
will win the war and
we will DESTROY you. We are the BEST and STRONGEST
country in the world
(They don't call us a Super Power for nothing) and we
will not stop until we
completely remove them from this great planet.
If our country was so terrible and evil, then why do
Hundred of Thousands of
people want to come to our country and become
citizens????? You are just a
bunch of jealous people, who can't stand that we have
progressed so far in
such a short time (200+ years). In those short amount
of years we went from
13 colonies under the thumb of Great Britian, to the
MOST POWERFUL NATION IN
THE WORLD. We are also the most ADVANCED and enjoy
the most FREEDOM of any
country in the world. Where are you?? The last time
I heard, Afghanistan,
is moving back to the caveman age.
That's good, because if they don't hand over the
loser, we will help them go
back there, except a little faster.
That is enough of this rant, but the next time any
country that hates and
despises us, has a natural disaster, don't come
looking to us for help. Try
to survive on your own for once.
Some of you will say that I am just a crazed person,
but this is called
being an American. You attack one of us, I consider
it an attack on all of
us. I realize that all the people who gave the
ulimate sacrifce before me,
did so that I can live in this country. I love my
freedom and will NEVER
EVER apologize for what we did in defense of our
country. If you don't like
how we handle situations, don't ask us for our help.
When was the last time we went somewhere uninvited??
Middle East - We were invited.
Kosovo - Invited and did 75%+ of the fighting.
Vietnam - Invited.
Korea - Invited.
Haiti - Invited.
WWII - Japan attacked, We FINISHED it
I am sure that you have heard the saying 'Hell has no
fury like a Woman's
scorn' Well guess what, LADY LIBERTY is ticked off
and she is going to open
a can of whipa** on those low lifes. May God have
mercy on their souls.
AMERICA, HOME OF THE FREE!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
First, I see no reason why some oppose this discussion
in this list, mostly
because I think a number of us in this list are almost
like family. I have
been on this list for almost 2 years, and I have seen
a lot more too.
Second, I have to say in defense to not posting this
discussion on this
list, of all the mailing lists I am part of, this is
the ONLY list actually
talking about this, so most likely it is not
appropriate. But this list
covers people around the world more so than any other
list I am on. I do
however feel it is good to talk about this, and
therefore, I am replying
another thought I had the other day.
I work in a small dot.com company and with me are a
few co-workers from
India. I am white, but I consider these co workers my
brothers (and sister)
as I respect them very much. In the past couple of
days they have taught me
some information about what has happened in India, and
other parts of the
world. The reason for my reply is it really bothers me
to think that after
10's of thousands of people have died in India and
other parts of the world,
nobody once got up and said "Let all of us Countries
get together and defeat
this". But when it hits in the US, now it is ok to do
this. Don't get me
wrong..I am devastated and if I did not have children
I would already have
enlisted with the 100,000's of those doing so now. I
am furious and feel
nobody in their right mind should ever have done this
not only to the US but
to ANY country. The point is, while I fully support
full military
retaliation, this should have been done a LOOONG time
ago.
I would like to finish by saying I really am disgusted
that so many
Americans are targeting local Arab and even Indian
establishments. I have a
good friend who's brother has been beat up and in
several fights already
because he is Arabic. This is plain wrong. Period. We
ALL need to bond,
around the world, no matter what nationality we are or
where we live, to
wipe this out for good. Even saying that we all know
it wont be possible to
wipe it out everywhere for good. But if somehow all
the countries got
together and said "Hey..you mess with us, we wipe you
out. You mess with
them, we wipe you out. You mess with anyone, we wipe
you out. Period" and
they would understand that no matter where they
target, all countries would
get together and fight this problem, perhaps the
incidents would diminish or
even disappear. I do recognize and even fear that
there are still Cells
operating in the US and other parts of the world, and
that it is not only
possible but more than likely that they will strike
again soon during all
this, and more US (and other countries) civilians will
be harmed. I will be
the first to admit (and I have heard many many more
like me) that I am a
little fearful of certain Arabic looking men mostly
because this whole thing
has brought about a severe uncertainty amongst the
populations of not only
here, but around the world. But I for one will not
just arbitrarily attack
or be biased against them unless there is reason to do
so. I pray that we
don't see Marshall Law declared and that we don't see
anything close to what
happened to the Japanese in WWII.
When all is said and done, we need to all come
together as a world, not just
nationality or country, and rise above these
outrageous acts. It will only
be then that we can see anything close to world peace.
Perhaps I am wrong in writing this, I apologize if I
offend anyone. But
after talking to a number of people via email, online
chat, and in person, I
get the feeling a lot of people feel the way I do.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Choe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:35 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
>
> but neither has japan ever apologized for their
atrocities during the
> war to this day and even their history books leave
out this part of
> their history. the US, however late and however
hard they fought
> agaisnt, has made some apologies and compensations
to the japanese
> americans they have interned during the war.
>
> and is you are not familiar with what atrocities the
japanese
> has done,
> look into the rape of nanking and what they did with
comfort women(sex
> slaves) from korea.
>
> thus ends the history lesson for the day.
>
> Haseltine, Celeste wrote:
>
> > Sanjay,
> >
> >
> >
> > The fact that we did drop nuclear bombs that
killed and maimed many
> > civilians is one that I am still ashamed of to
this day as a US
> > citizen. Nor am I proud that we as a nation have
never
> made a formal
> > apology to Japan, as they have provided us for the
bombing at Pearl
> > Harbor. But as my father pointed out to me (he
was 12
> years old at the
> > time of the attack on Pearl Harbor), it was the
only way we
> could bring
> > an end to the war. The two atomic bombs that we
dropped
> on Nagasaki
> > and Hiroshima were NOT a response to the attack on
Pearl
> Harbor. They
> > were simply the most economic way AT THAT TIME, to
bring to
> an end to a
> > war that did bankrupt all of Europe, and almost
bankrupted
> the United
> > States.
> >
> >
> >
> > Celeste
> >
> > ----Original Message-----
> > From: Sanjay Gomes
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:09 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> >
> >
> > I am sorry for again writing offtopic but
couldn't
> resist a reply to
> > this, I am neither a critic of the US nor a
fanatic but ....
> >
> > ..the facts are
> >
> > The Japanese bombed the military targets in
the Pearl
> harbour , and
> > in response the US dropped Nuclear bombs on
two heavily
> populated
> > cities
> >
> > creating millions of civilian casualties for
times to come
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Haseltine, Celeste
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 14 September 2001 17:00
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist
attacks
> >
> > To everyone on JSP Board.
> >
> > I apologize for filling up the board with
another
> response, and off
> > topic at
> > that. But I am so tired of hearing how we in
American may have
> > deserved a
> > taste of what many in other countries have had
to deal
> with the last
> > couple
> > of days, that I had to respond to Isidoros.
My
> apologies to anyone I
> > inconvenience on the board today.
> >
> > -----------------------
> >
> > Isidoros,
> >
> > I wanted to thank you for your expression of
sympathy
> for those of
> > us here
> > in the US who did loose family, loved ones,
and
> co-workers this past
> > Tues.
> > Fortunately for our company in Texas, all the
employees of the
> > company that
> > we were working a contract with did manage to
get out
> of the World
> > Trade
> > Center Towers and are accounted for.
> >
> > What you say is very true. We vote people
into office
> in the US that
> > reflect the majority opinion of whatever
political
> issues are at the
> > forefront during the election process. We do
hold a
> great deal of
> > world
> > power in our hands, and we often do force our
views of
> democracy and
> > justice
> > onto other countries who cultures and views
are
> different. And, we
> > may use
> > our military muscle to protect our interests
and the
> interests of our
> > allies, sometimes at the expense of the local
people.
> >
> > So some of the hatred that has recently been
directed at us is
> > understandable. But it is NOT excusable. We
are a country who
> > believe in
> > the rights of all free people to take up arms
and fight
> for what they
> > believe in. But terrorism in ANY form is a
cowardly
> way to fight,
> > and it is
> > one that is without honor. Back when the
Japanese bombed Pearl
> > Harbor, they
> > freely and openly wore their national symbols
on their
> planes, and
> > their
> > uniforms. And they admitted that they bomb
us. Though
> the result
> > of their
> > actions were no different than the results
that
> occurred on Tues in
> > NY and
> > Washington, DC, the Japanese were a people and
country
> with honor.
> > They
> > fought and died for what they believed in, and
we in
> this country have
> > respected them from the day they signed the
armistice, up to the
> > present.
> >
> >
> > The people behind the attack that took place
on Tuesday
> have refused to
> > stand up and admit who they are. Because of
this, many
> Americans
> > view their
> > actions, and whatever beliefs they may hold
that lead
> them to the
> > attack on
> > Tues, in contempt. They are cowardly, and are
a people without
> > honor. In
> > addition to the attack on US soil on Tuesday,
these
> same people have
> > killed
> > so many others in so many countries, that it
is time that we
> > globally take a
> > stand and put a stop to terrorism once and for
all. That is why
> > NATO, and
> > many other countries, including those who are
openly
> opposed to the
> > US such
> > as Libya, have joined the US in condemning
what
> happened on Tues.
> > Whether
> > this will eventually lead to military action
or not,
> it's hard to
> > say. But
> > this American is willing to cast a vote for
military
> action IF their is
> > sufficient evidence regarding who was behind
this
> attack, and IF the
> > person
> > or persons responsible refuse to stand up for
their actions and
> > beliefs in a
> > court of law (UN court or otherwise).
> >
> > Thank you again for your prayers, and
continuing
> praying that we as
> > a global
> > community can put a stop to terrorism once and
for all without
> > resorting to
> > military action.
> >
> > Celeste
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Isidoros Vacropoulos
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:48 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> >
> >
> > Good morning,
> >
> > I'm sorry that i use this list for telling my
opinion about the
> > terrible
> > things that happened in USA. Whoever does not
want to read this
> > mail, he can
> > just erase it. I don't think it is tiring to
erase an email....
> >
> > I would also like to express my deep sorrow to
the
> citizens of the USA.
> > Maybe there are fellow subscribers that may
have lost friendly
> > people or
> > relatives.
> >
> > Secondly, i would like to say that i'm from
Greece and
> i'm a Christian
> > Orthodox. After reading all these mails in
this list, i
> would also
> > like to
> > say my opinion...
> >
> > Noone in this earth has the right to feel
happy for the
> dead people
> > and for
> > all the destructions in the city of New York.
> > N O O N E. Beyond religion, political beliefs
and financial
> > situation , we
> > are all human beings and who are not given the
right to
> feel relief
> > for some
> > people who die, even if their political or
religious
> background is
> > not the
> > same to ours.
> >
> > On the other hand, noone has also the right to
decide
> an attack and
> > kill
> > innocent people.
> > Whether you want it or not, the fellow
subscribers that
> come from
> > the great
> > countries, like USA,Germany,Great Britain and
the other ARE
> > RESPONSIBLE FOR
> > THIS TRAGEDY TOO.
> > Voting for presidents and people in high
places in the
> goverments
> > who decide
> > that they will bomb innocent people
(YUGOSLAVIA,
> AFRICA....) is not
> > less
> > responsibility than taking this decision. I
want to
> make clear that
> > i'm not
> > saying that USA got what it deserved....I
don't think that human
> > beings are
> > the right beings to decide who has done wrong
and who
> has done right.
> > I'm just saying that you are the one who voted
for your
> presidents.Your
> > presidentd decided many bad things and attacks
in the
> near past (and
> > noone
> > can deny it) and these presidents made so many
> countries,folks and
> > people
> > enemies of yours.
> > What i'm saying is that you gave the right to
some
> people to hate you
> > because you made attacks that shouldn't have
happened.
> > Whether you want it or not you hold the
situation of
> the planet in your
> > hands. You can decide now what will hapen in
my country
> in the next 30
> > years.If you ever understand the power that
you hold in your
> > hands.............
> >
> > Again, i want to express my deep condolences
to the
> families of the
> > dead and
> > wounded people,
> > i'm sure that are deep religious people in my
country
> that will pray
> > for
> > you.
> >
> >
> > Isidoros
> >
> > (P.S)
> > I would like some fellow subscribers,
especially from
> USA, to judge my
> > opinion.
> >
> > Thanx
> >
> >
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