On Feb 24, 2005, at 1:33 PM, John D. Mitchell wrote:
And a lot of bad "mouthing" :)

Indeed. Alas, you're one of the rare ones who are both tough enough to deal with that crap and still be a nice guy.

And you missed my humorous poke at you on that one :)

I don't recall any example you (or Drew, I assume) have provided as an
"evil" example of open-source. You've both given me an earful about how
Ant sucks, but I haven't heard it as classified as evil.

Sure it is. Ant's very popularity strongly inhibits the creation of anything that's actually good.

Ah, so popular simply cannot be good? Interesting.

Also, since you seem to not see it, the very process that the ASF uses
(strong personalities + popularity) is a huge barrier to entry of people
who could actually help make things significantly better (such as Drew
:-).

Drew has as strong a personality as anyone I know. He has been invited on more than one occasion to affect Ant and Tapestry. Drew chooses not to - that is the only barrier to his entry. It is true, though, that the ASF has a barrier to entry - it requires learning the way a project works and how the ASF works currently to be able to effectively jump in. ASF is not static - it is what people make of it. It is a meritocracy. Nothing happens unless someone makes it happen. Changes can be made and many have been made at the highest levels of it.


We all only have so much time and energy to use in our lives and
trying to deal with all of the pettiness (at best :-) is totally not worth
it.

Life is full of pettiness. You're free to shirk it all off and go against the grain, but often the way to change things is to be an integral part of them and speak your mind and push in the directions you feel it should go.


What about politics? Family interactions? Any group of more than one person requires a bit of diplomacy, compromise, and letting go. Do you agree? Or do you only do things that have no degree of "pettiness" to them?

        Erik


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