"Andrew C. Oliver" Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:16:37 -0500
> [JSF] isn't really going to make web programming easier, it will
> just tie you to certain folks' tools (as a capture the client take
> the server strategy). In my view, JSF doesn't make anyone's life
> easier but the tool vendor.
True that, but your conclusion is false. Yes, JSF is too complex/
unwieldy for the commandline/texteditor user. But (whether you like it
or not :-) there are a lotta IDE users out there (and less-skilled
users at that). In fact, one of the attacks the M$ camp has long made
on Java is like "I can go into VS and quickly whack up an ASP
page--you can't do that." Tightly coupled frameworks and tooling work
for entry-level/low-chops users and Model1 tasks: that's the M$
market. So why not have a Java solution for that space? If you find
you need a Model2 solution, use SFIL, or equivalent Faces integration
foo for <your web framework here> (is there an equivalent for
Tapestry), couple your V to a more robust MC, and "migrate up."
Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work :-)
The question should instead be, does the tooling, which is JSF's
raison d'etre, help anyone do anything they wanna do?
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