Hello, What is then the recommendation for monitoring / logging / (...) agents that run independently on the units and are loosely connected to the local charms, but potentially still need to know about the apps running?
Wouldn´t colocation make them cumbersome? Still encoded as subordinate charms they lack flexibility as they can´t change/be replaced. For the Django example (and any framework sort of charms) I would have thought that a layer is needed and the plugin is an option of the layer. ++ Sam -- Samuel Cozannet Cloud, Big Data and IoT Strategy Team Business Development - Cloud and ISV Ecosystem Changing the Future of Cloud Ubuntu <http://ubuntu.com> / Canonical UK LTD <http://canonical.com> / Juju <https://jujucharms.com> [email protected] mob: +33 616 702 389 skype: samnco Twitter: @SaMnCo_23 [image: View Samuel Cozannet's profile on LinkedIn] <https://es.linkedin.com/in/scozannet> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Rick Harding <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, this is the way that subordinates work. They can often do very > intrusive things. Imagine a django subordinate that installs and sets up a > plugin into the django application it's deployed to. We don't currently > support the removal of them. They kind of become one with the principle > application. > > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 5:41 PM André Moreira <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Tom, >> >> I found this: >> >> The current model of subordinates doesn't include support for removing >> subordinate units from their principal service apart from removing the >> principal service itself. This limitation stems from the current policy >> around service shutdown and the invocation of stop hooks. >> https://jujucharms.com/docs/1.25/authors-subordinate-services >> >> Is this policy still valid? >> >> André >> >> 2016-05-26 18:38 GMT-03:00 Tom Barber <[email protected]>: >> >>> Hi Andre >>> >>> Can you give us a clue what you are installing/uninstalling because I >>> believe Bilal is correct, I've not see it wipe out the parent charms either. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> -------------- >>> >>> Director Meteorite.bi - Saiku Analytics Founder >>> Tel: +44(0)5603641316 >>> >>> (Thanks to the Saiku community we reached our Kickstart >>> <http://kickstarter.com/projects/2117053714/saiku-reporting-interactive-report-designer/> >>> goal, but you can always help by sponsoring the project >>> <http://www.meteorite.bi/products/saiku/sponsorship>) >>> >>> On 26 May 2016 at 22:36, André Moreira <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Using this, it also removes the unit of the charm it is subordinated to. >>>> >>>> 2016-05-26 18:34 GMT-03:00 Bilal Baqar <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> Try the normal charm remove command: >>>>> *juju remove-service <subordinate-charm-name> * >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> 2016-05-27 2:24 GMT+05:00 André Moreira <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> How can I remove a subordinate charm without removing the principal? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Le doux charme de maint songe >>>>>> Par leur bel art inventé >>>>>> Sous les habits du mensonge >>>>>> Nous offre la vérité. >>>>>> -La Fontaine >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Juju mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Bilal Baqar >>>>> MTS - PLUMgrid Inc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Le doux charme de maint songe >>>> Par leur bel art inventé >>>> Sous les habits du mensonge >>>> Nous offre la vérité. >>>> -La Fontaine >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Juju mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Le doux charme de maint songe >> Par leur bel art inventé >> Sous les habits du mensonge >> Nous offre la vérité. >> -La Fontaine >> -- >> Juju mailing list >> [email protected] >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >> > > -- > Juju mailing list > [email protected] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju > >
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