>
> "...but after a few months, everyone agreed that it was really annoying
> so we changed it back."


Not everyone. Everyone in the room I'm sitting were against the reversal.


2015-01-23 18:07 GMT-05:00 Stefan Karpinski <[email protected]>:

> This kind of thing is a balancing act. All of these behaviors are really
> useful – or at least I find myself using them all the time. We tried for a
> while to disallow `scalar + vector` and require doing `scalar .+ vector`
> instead, but after a few months, everyone agreed that it was really
> annoying so we changed it back.
>
> I find that one of the most effective ways to make sure your code actually
> does what you think it does is to develop it interactively in the REPL and
> only once you've got a procedure working with intermediate values that make
> sense, worrying about wrapping it all up into a function. All of these
> errors would be obvious if you tried them interactively since the result of
> some step would have the wrong shape. This approach is kind of the inverse
> of writing your code and then walking through it in a debugger. It feels a
> bit odd if you're used to static languages, but it's really very effective
> and once you get used to it, not being able to work that way feels somewhat
> stifling.
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Ben Kuhn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Julia folks,
>>
>> Trying to get a feel for Julia, I decided to write a basic Cox
>> proportional hazards model. While I was implementing the routines to
>> calculate the gradient and Hessian of the model's log-likelihood, I
>> realized that I was making a ton of array "type errors" (dimension errors)
>> that weren't being caught by Julia's type system because the array
>> operations that I was using were too overloaded. Here are some examples of
>> what I mean:
>>
>> - For a 2d array X, trying to get a row with X[i] instead of X[i,:].
>> This returns a scalar, but if you try to add it to another row vector
>> you'll silently get a different row vector than you expected instead of a
>> failure.
>> - Reversing the order of y * transpose(y) (for y an array) to get the
>> scalar product instead of the outer product (similar silent failure as
>> above).
>> - Doing y .* z when one side is a row vector and the other side is a
>> column vector, and forgetting to transpose them, causing an accidental
>> outer product (via broadcasting) instead of elementwise product. This one
>> is harder to get a silent failure with but I'm pretty sure I managed
>> somehow.
>>
>> I caught them all in testing (I think) and am fairly satisfied my code
>> does the right thing now, but I'd love to know if there are conventions or
>> tools I can use to limit these errors or catch them earlier. I'm sure I'm
>> missing a ton of stuff because I'm a Julia novice (as well as a numerics
>> novice in general). Does anyone have any pointers? If it helps, the code I
>> wrote is here
>> <https://github.com/benkuhn/Survival.jl/blob/master/survival/src/coxph.jl#L60>
>> . (It's correct now, or at least agrees with R on a small but nontrivial
>> model; the link is to the function that computes the Hessian of the
>> log-likelihood, which was unsurprisingly the most error-prone part.)
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
>>
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