hello, as usual, your responses are informative, as seems to be the case with openjump list members in general.
On Apr 3, 2008, at 9:07 AM, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: > Eric, > > You ask a lot of questions that have some long answers. I only have a > few minutes before I need to start work, but I will try to answer some > of these questions. > > Eric wrote: "I am interested in knowing what would be required to move > this into Eclipse(like uDig)... any idea as it relates to man hours?" > > This would be a pretty monumental task. There are two (2) reasons > for this: > > [1] Eclipse uses SWT and JFace for it's GUI, while OJ uses Swing. All > of OJ's rendering code, which is very important, is based in Swing. > ok, i will read about this and try to make sense of it. > [2] Eclipse uses a different (and more complex) plug-in model. > Migrating to Eclipse would mean all plug-ins would have to be moved to > the Eclipse plug-in model. (Many of the functionality that appear to > be built-in to OpenJUMP in actuallu packaged as plug-ins distributed > with the core.) > so how many of the 10.+- MBs of OJ is core and how many MBs are plugins? > In summary, moving to Eclipse would be a monumental task. I think we > could accomplish a lot of other great things by investing that time > elsewhere. understood :) again, i will now read about swt, jface, and swing, and try to wrap my mind around it. > > > Eric wrote: "Is there any way these videos could be stored directly > onto the OpenJump server?" > > Our OpenJUMP server is actually a SourceForge server, and they have a > size quota. Stefan has been successful in getting this increased so we > can host the nightly build, but I don't know what they would say about > a bunch of video's. It seems like YouTube might make more sense. If we > want the video's on a dedicated server I could consider purchasing > more space on my www.redefinedhorizons.com web site, but I'd need to > know how much space we are talking about. There are other active > programmers that might be able to host videos, like Larry and Paul. > i figured if the proggy had server/drive space, then great. but no stress, i'll keep them all on my server. > Eric wrote: "Also, I'd be willing to setup a subversion repository > with a trac front end to manage plug-ins/versioning, so we can get > that situation somewhat organized. or, just create a table that shows > compatibility." > > We actually have a Subversion repository already, and I think plug-in > source code is hosted there. I've always wanted to have a plug-in > catalog or index. I think that would be helpful. ok. > > > Eric wrote: "Again, I am very interested to know the current state of > the core of OJ(lets say compared to uDig or QGIS, and how it could > take advantage of geotools, geoserver, openlayers, etc.), and where > everyone here thinks OJ is going, or where they want to take it. As > I've said before, it seems like such a diamond in the rough, and I > wonder why It has just sort of lingered as it has(again, i am not > familiar with all it's history, or all those involved)." > > This is a very difficult question to answer. We don't talk a lot about > the future of OpenJUMP. It just evolves as the individual programmers > implement changes to scratch their own itches. I guess this makes > OpenJUMP very organic. Perhaps this is a disadvantage? Or maybe it is > the reason why you see a difference in it and the other programs. The > evolution of OpenJUMP is very "user-driven". There is no single entity > or organization forcing OpenJUMP to adhere to a road map or plan. ok, i understand now. thank you. > > > Having said that, I can tell you what I would like to see for OpenJUMP > in the next couple of years. I put some long term goals for OpenJUMP > here: > > http://openjump.org/wiki/show/Some+Possible+Goals+For+OpenJUMP wonderful. > > > There are also lots of other things I have in the hopper, and that I > want to eventually implement using OpenJUMP. Let me start with what is > currently in the works (at least in my Eclipse IDE) and in various > stages of completion. You can see these items in the "Sunburned > Surveyor" section of the following wiki page: > > http://openjump.org/wiki/show/Work+In+Progress > > I hope to have the top 4 of these items completed in the next month > or two. > > Then there is all sorts of other great stuff that I hope to one day > add to OpenJUMP. This includes awesome DXF support, advanced > cartographic labeling, precision drawing (CAD) tools, the ability to > create and manage topology, support for spatial relationships, > metadata support, TIN management and contour generation, route > stationing support, parcel management... > > The Sunburned Surveyor > > > cool. eric > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:15 AM, Eric Jarvies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Hello Peppe, >> >> >> >> On Apr 3, 2008, at 5:44 AM, Giuseppe Aruta wrote: >> >> Hi Eric, >> and congratulation for your detailed page. I saw that you plan to >> develop >> your page as a small tutorial for MacOX OpenJUMP user. >> >> well, just trying to document some user experience with OJ, as it >> is a good >> tool, but very under-exposed... uDig and QGIS are getting all the >> spotlight. >> I wish I had known about some of it's features way back when, and I >> would >> have started using it sooner. But because it's obscure and seemed >> inactive(low activity), I simply never took the time to use and >> abuse/enjoy. >> But all-in-all it's a great effort, and with some basic GUI clean- >> up and >> some bug-stomping, and some good download site postings/promotions, >> could >> easily get a few hundred active users in a short period of time. >> >> I am interested in knowing what would be required to move this into >> Eclipse(like uDig)... any idea as it relates to man hours? >> >> >> There are some part which probabily even Linix or Windows user >> would take >> some benefits. >> I worked on User Guide: http://openjump.org/wiki/show/Index or >> List of >> Function page >> http://openjump.org/wiki/show/OpenJUMP+List+of+Functions together >> with SS >> untill last winter, but probabily they need some upgrade for the Up- >> to-come >> OpenJUMP 1.3 >> You are welcome to give your contribute adding/correcting these >> pages. >> >> Great! I'll take a look, and of course I'll edit/add as time/energy >> permits. >> >> >> For instance, the idea of videos (MOV) tutorials to explain tools is >> interesting, we could add a link to your video at the "Editing >> Toolbox" >> page http://openjump.org/wiki/show/Editing+Toolbox >> >> Is there any way these videos could be stored directly onto the >> OpenJump >> server? Otherwise, over time, as domains get shuffled around from >> server to >> server, links get broken, etc. Currently I have the photos up at >> flickr.com, and the movies up on my own domain/server, but they >> should be on >> the OJ server imo. >> >> I have another 40 videos I made yesterday and today, I just need >> to upload >> them and link them. However, many of these videos show bugs and >> errors, >> instead of instruction/example. I figured that would help the >> contributing >> programmers get an idea of the problems. >> >> But first I am really interested in learning from the fathers of this >> project, where it's going. I see uDig and QGIS with pretty clear >> plans of >> where they are going, but have not yet grasped that from OpenJump >> as of >> yet(hint). >> >> >> ********************************** >> Regarding the Plugin test. There are some plugin which probabily >> don't work >> even with Windows/Linux version of OpenJUMP (for instance the Jython >> plugin). Some of them probabily were already added in OJ during >> time, other >> probabily had a short life since there was no interest/no need to >> go on >> upgrading to newer versions of JUMP/OpenJUMP. >> >> >> Also, I'd be willing to setup a subversion repository with a trac >> front end >> to manage plug-ins/versioning, so we can get that situation somewhat >> organized. or, just create a table that shows compatibility. >> >> Again, I am very interested to know the current state of the core >> of OJ(lets >> say compared to uDig or QGIS, and how it could take advantage of >> geotools, >> geoserver, openlayers, etc.), and where everyone here thinks OJ is >> going, or >> where they want to take it. As I've said before, it seems like >> such a >> diamond in the rough, and I wonder why It has just sort of lingered >> as it >> has(again, i am not familiar with all it's history, or all those >> involved). >> >> Regards, >> >> Eric >> >> >> >> >> A m onth ago I planned to do a similar job like yours for Windows. >> By the >> time I will have time I will do it so we can compare and see what's >> left >> behind! >> >> Regards >> >> Peppe >> >> Michaël Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: >> Hi Eric, >> >> Thanks for all the tests and documentation. >> >> I'm the author of some of the plugins you tested (results on the wiki >> page), and have some remarks/questions about those which do not >> work : >> >> BshEditor4Jump-0.1.1-2006-04-20.zip : did you extract the jar from >> the >> zip and put it in the ext folder. That is how it is supposed to >> work. It >> is a useful plugin, and I would be pleased if it could work also on >> mac. >> >> Jump-spim-0.1.0 : this is a gadget plugin related to scripting. I >> did it >> before we integrated BeanTools in OpenJUMP distribution. Not very >> important, just a curiosity. >> >> mifmid-driver-0.4.0.jar : replaced by 0.4.1 that you tested >> successfully >> (I have to remove 0.4.0 from my site) >> >> mmpatch1.1.2 : not a plugin but a patch which modifies jump's core in >> some ways. Not maintained. Only interesting if the community >> decided to >> modify some of jump core features (it adds new attribute types like >> boolean and decimal but has never been tested with all drivers). >> >> plugin-oj-gcdriver and plugin-oj-mmdriver : it is just the zip >> containing the plugins, the sources and the documentation. It >> should not >> be used as a plugin. It appears that you tested the plugins themself >> successfully ;-) >> >> qa-0.1.jar : it is a recent plugin issued from Jump Conflation >> Suite and >> I made it available on the sourceforge JPP site. I'm interested in >> knowing more about what is wrong with it (nothing loaded or error >> message happening at execution time ?) >> >> Thanks >> >> Michaël >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. >> It's the best place to buy or sell services for >> just about anything Open Source. >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace >> _______________________________________________ >> Jump-pilot-devel mailing list >> Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Inviato da Yahoo! 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