Thanks Landon for your help. I will add a class (probably on a test
Package) just to collect all (layerable/layer) usable methods
2016-02-03 23:40 GMT+01:00 Michaël Michaud <m.michael.mich...@orange.fr>:
> Hi,
>
> To give more food for thought about layerable hierarchy, I have an old
> project in mind to create VirtualLayers. A VirtualLayer would be the
> dataset of another Layer. It may be read-only. Its main purpose is to
> have more than one style associated to a single datasource and to be
> able to interleave styles associated with one datasource with styles
> associated to another datasource.
>
> Michaël
>
> Le 03/02/2016 17:58, edgar.sol...@web.de a écrit :
> > sure, go ahead.
> >
> > it's just important to me that we talk about it first and find an
> ordered approach that takes into account the existing API. i am a big fan
> of small steps, but into the right direction. meaning a big overhaul
> refactoring is possibly bringing more problems than the whole cleanup is
> worth.
> > streamlining the existing API by eg. moving a small functionality out of
> Layer into AbstractLayerable at a time and test it will probably the least
> dangerous approach.
> >
> > visualizing the current design beforehand might probably help all
> parties to get an initial overview as well.
> >
> > ..ede
> >
> > On 03.02.2016 17:49, Landon Blake wrote:
> >> How do you guys feel about having Peppe and I review our existing
> layerable
> >> class/interface architecture and come up with a proposal for clean-up
> and
> >> revisions. I think some of Peppe's suggested methods are useful, but
> agree
> >> with Ede that we need to plug them into the correct interface.
> >>
> >> I think this is exactly the type of TLC the OpenJUMP core needs. I would
> >> love to work with Peppe to test some code and then propose a more
> >> comprehensive clean-up of the layerable code here.
> >>
> >> Peppe: Let me know if you want my help.
> >>
> >> Others: Let me know if you'd be willing to consider a proposal and some
> >> test code from Peppe and I.
> >>
> >> Landon
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Giuseppe Aruta <
> giuseppe.ar...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> OK,
> >>> I had the response of everybody.
> >>>
> >>> - I am going to remove all the Layer.class parts and restore as it is
> >>> before
> >>> - I am going to leave only the RasterImageLayer.class method
> >>> isTemporaryLayer()
> >>> - I will create an external class, called maybe LayerbleUtils - no
> >>> implementation to Layerable or other classes, just a useful Util class
> to
> >>> group all these potential boolen/String methods.
> >>>
> >>>> you mean as default saving format when leaving OJ? why?
> >>> No. Not talking about SaveDatasetsPlugIn. It has a useful behaviour:
> if I
> >>> try to add a a polygon to a point layer (belonging to a Shapefile,
> already
> >>> saved). And than I will save it, the plugin will save the original
> geometry
> >>> collection to the original file, and create another SHP file with the
> >>> polygon. This is probably better than a warning message.
> >>> My idea is to add this capability to Michael's project
> >>> SaveLayersWithoutDatasource.class ( it saves a list of layers without
> >>> datasource, the user can choose JML or SHP as export format) which is
> also
> >>> invoked on Saving a project.
> >>> An alternative simpler idea is to give the plugin the capability to
> >>> distinguish mixed geometry types layers among all, and to save them as
> JML,
> >>> even if the user choose SHP.
> >>> In any I will not change none of the actual classes. As I frequently
> >>> work with Sextante rasters(RasterImageLayer.class), I will start from
> >>> Michael's plugin to create another one that has these two extra
> >>> capabilities:
> >>> a) it saves also a list of Temporary Raster layers as TIF
> >>> b) it allows users to commit changes on "modified layers" ( I will
> >>> consider "modified layers" as Layer.class, vector based, with a
> datasource.
> >>> I will exclude from this collection ("modified layers")
> >>> DataStoreQueryDataSources and ReferencedImageLayer (legacy images) as
> >>> their saving is still complex and ambiguous (see a previous discussion
> >>> about saving a ReferencedImageLayer when its envelope has been moved or
> >>> resized)
> >>> Peppe
> >>>
> >>> 2016-01-27 13:53 GMT+01:00 Michaël Michaud <
> m.michael.mich...@orange.fr>:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I think that Peppe's request show some flaws in layerable hierarchy.
> >>>> Some may be addressed by adding helper methods to existing class.
> >>>> Others maybe addressed by introducing new interfaces.
> >>>> Some are not so difficult to find in current implementation.
> >>>>
> >>>> My main complain about the design is that raster has two very
> different
> >>>> representations (a layer subclass for legacy images and a different
> >>>> class for
> >>>> sextante)
> >>>> It could be a good idea to arrive to the following hierarchy :
> >>>> AbstractLayer
> >>>> - rasterLayer (RasterImageLayer + Sextante + WMS : is it possible
> ?)
> >>>> - vectorLayer (Shape, database, WFS...)
> >>>>
> >>>> In such a scenario, I don't know if current Layer should be equal to
> >>>> VectorLayer
> >>>> or above Vector and Raster.
> >>>>
> >>>> Another feature I'd like which meets peppe's requirement is some
> >>>> information
> >>>> about the source (null/file[tmp,compressed]/url[database,service]) at
> the
> >>>> AbstractLayer level, or at least above Raster/Vector, because this is
> a
> >>>> common thing
> >>>> which is quite difficult to get in a uniform way in the current
> >>>> hierarchy (and which is
> >>>> a bit hidden).
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe also methods like
> >>>> - getEnvelope (currently available in raster layer and wms but not in
> >>>> layer !) should be
> >>>> implemented at the AbstractLayer level, as well as
> >>>> - getFeatureCollection which could return image(s) enveloppes in case
> of
> >>>> raster layers.
> >>>>
> >>>> My 2 cents
> >>>>
> >>>> Michaël
> >>>>
> >>>> Le 27/01/2016 12:22, edgar.sol...@web.de a écrit :
> >>>>> thx! and exactly my point :) ..ede
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 27.01.2016 12:17, Alberto De Luca wrote:
> >>>>>> Ede,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> yes I am aware of the majority of the additions relate to
> Layer.java,
> >>>> but I
> >>>>>> wouldn't venture into commenting on those since my knowledge with
> >>>> regards
> >>>>>> to the Layer class is limited. What I could say though is that for
> what
> >>>>>> I've seen the design of Layer is very neat and though-through in
> >>>> comparison
> >>>>>> to RasterImageLayer, therefore I would think more than twice before
> >>>>>> touching it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alberto
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 27 January 2016 at 11:13, <edgar.sol...@web.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Alberto,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> you are aware most additions Peppe did were to Layer.java where
> they
> >>>>>>> definitely don't belong?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> if it's needed in RasterImageLayer, i don't oppose at all.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ..ede
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 27.01.2016 10:53, Alberto De Luca wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> at the moment RasterImageLayer is quite a messy class (a mess to
> whom
> >>>>>>> I've
> >>>>>>>> been contributing, by the way), because there's a bit of
> everything
> >>>> in
> >>>>>>> in,
> >>>>>>>> from methods that manipulate the raster values to methods that
> take
> >>>> care
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> the rendering on screen...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So while we wait for the lucky ticket-owner to come along, I think
> >>>> that
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> utility methods added by Peppe (that to me are definitely useful)
> >>>> should
> >>>>>>>> stay: they just made the class a bit messier :P
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Alberto
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 27 January 2016 at 03:00, Stefan Steiniger <sst...@geo.uzh.ch>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> see below
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Am 26.01.16 um 13:31 schrieb Giuseppe Aruta:
> >>>>>>>>>> Just few extra details:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 1) Temporary vector (Layer.class) and raster
> >>>> (RasterImageLayer.class)
> >>>>>>>>>> layers (isTemporaryLayer())
> >>>>>>>>>> - Sextante is a different software and it handles raster and
> >>>> vector in
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>> separate way from OpenJUMP
> >>>>>>>>>> - while TEMP files should be stored in Windows forever (except
> if
> >>>> user
> >>>>>>>>>> does a deep OS cleaning) Linux and MacOSX delete these files
> from
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> /TEMP folder on shuts down
> >>>>>>>>>> Linux and Mac users should be aware that, if they shut down the
> OS
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> if they don't save these temp data in another folder, they will
> >>>> lost
> >>>>>>>>>> them. But I am sure that few know about this.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Pratical usage:
> >>>>>>>>>> Other temporary layers also layers with no datasource.
> >>>>>>>>>> SaveLayrsWithoutDatasourcePlugIn of Michael already advises
> users
> >>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>> the presence of these layers.
> >>>>>>>>>> I am planning to expand this plugin to this other group of
> >>>> temporary
> >>>>>>>>>> layers (the one stored into /TEMP folder) both Layers and
> >>>>>>>>> RasterImageLayers.
> >>>>>>>>>> I could work on the plugin without adding new boolean on System
> >>>> classes
> >>>>>>>>>> (you are right, Ede, those functionality are already there)
> >>>>>>>>>> But a flag like RasterImagerLayer.isTemporary() would avoid some
> >>>> extra
> >>>>>>>>>> code and, more important, it could be used also in the future
> >>>>>>>>> I agree with Peppe here...
> >>>>>>>>> But perhaps we need to see how this fits also with Michaels DB
> >>>>>>>>> experiences (and approaches). At least most Raster-Related helper
> >>>>>>>>> classes make sense to me. Perhaps Alberto has a comment on that
> too.
> >>>>>>>>> And if Ede points out to the original JUMP design/development...
> >>>> well
> >>>>>>>>> the design focus was on vector... everything else raster wise was
> >>>> more
> >>>>>>>>> experimental (my opinion). And this is now also some wooohhhoo
> 12-13
> >>>>>>>>> years ago... ;)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ideally of course one would need to do what QGIS did, a complete
> >>>>>>>>> redesign of the core, but... (perhaps someone wins in the lottery
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> funds 5 devs from that :)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> cheers,
> >>>>>>>>> Stefan
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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